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Failure to define the necessary market regulation deprived lecture of the necessary nuance

The lecture by economics Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz about the failures resulting from deregulation of financial markets in the United States and the need for a strict regulatory regime was engaging and frustrating at the same time.

The main pillar of Stiglitz’s argument that unregulated markets tend to have harmful social consequences was obvious. His counter argument that there was need for regulation lacked nuance. The lecture presented a bi-polar world: on one hand are people who oppose regulation whom Stiglitz called “free market fundamentalists.” On the other hand are people who want regulation – Stiglitz being one of them. By doing this, Stiglitz fell into the same trap as the people he sought to criticise – of being too ideological.

The major weakness of the lecture was its inability to define regulation and thereby demonstrate the complexity of the subject. So he presented regulation as if it was a black box. Any meaningful debate about regulation has to begin by opening the black box so that we see its contents. This is because the arguments for and against regulation in America often don’t illuminate the salient issues. Instead ideologues on either side just shout at each other. This has made the debate stale.

First of all, except for some extremist fringe, even the most ideological zealots of deregulation are not suggesting that the USA does away with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Federal Reserve and many other regulatory agencies.Government regulation of the market is a given. Therefore, Stiglitz needed to clearly define the specific forms of deregulation that he felt were socially harmful. Second, the issue cannot even be how much or how less to regulate. That is a blind debate. The debate has to be on the type of regulation sought.

The deregulation movement of the 1980s and 90s was not born of out of the blue. From 1954, Western nations put in place myriad regulatory policies and institutions. This led to the growth of bloated bureaucracies with accompanying rental havens for government officials. It also emasculated the free operation of market forces, stifled innovation, undermined competition, killed creativity and facilitated the growth and dominance of monopolies and oligopolies. This in turn led to sluggish growth and rampant inflation in the 1970s.

The attempt to resolve these distortions came with its ideological justification. The neo-liberal movement (as it came to be called) sought to justify reforms through an ideological attack on government. Its most fervent advocates sought to discredit all forms of state involvement in the economy. The swing was therefore from one extreme spectrum of the ideological debate to another: from an obsessive faith is state action to a fanatical faith in the invisible hand of the market.

I had hoped that Stiglitz would transcend this ideological straight jacket and therefore tell us the specific forms of regulation that hinder private enterprise growth and stifle innovation. These regulations needed to be removed. Then I thought he would tell us the specific regulations that tend to protect society against the recklessness of private economic agents without undermining innovation and creativity. Even here I expected him to temper his argument with a caveat: that the fact that markets fail does not necessarily mean that state intervention would automatically produce better results.

The lecture was therefore too narrowly focused and ideological to illuminate the challenge we face. For example, Stiglitz recommended state intervention in the economy, something all states do. The issue is not whether or not to get states involved. It is not even how much or how less they should be involved. The issue is what specific forms of involvement are necessary for success. Yet even here, we cannot have a one blue print for all nations.

States are not generic. They vary in terms of their institutional capabilities and in their politics (by politics I mean how the different constituent social forces relate to the state). Some states are better than others at performing particular functions. There are many state functions that work well in Norway but would become dysfunctional if transplanted to the US because of the differences in their institutions, politics, cultures and other social endowments. Hence, one size cannot fit all.

Thus, I was constantly frustrated that most ofStiglitz’s lecture was devoted to showing how free markets do not always work as their advocates claim. Of course I agreed with him that the argument for free markets assumes perfect competition among firms, perfect mobility of factors of production, perfect information among consumers etc. These assumptions do not exist in real life because of imperfect competition, structural barriers to entry and exit of firms into an industry and information asymmetries.

The problem is that Stiglitz fell into the temptation of imagining that because free markets have an inherent tendency to simulate certain pathologies, then state intervention to correct market failures would work – as a matter of course. I felt like standing up to give a counter lecture – with a zillion examples – of how state intervention to correct market failures has often ended up creating its own dysfunctions. Sometimes the social consequences are worse than those of free markets.

To bring this argument to Uganda, the free market has failed to deliver many public goods and has actually often had harmful social effects. However, the state we have in this country, with its institutionalised incompetence, corruption and other dysfunctions would not be the perfect instrument to correct many failures I see in the market. Even then, there are particular public functions that the state in Uganda performs well (like resource allocation through the budget) and functions (like delivery of public goods and services to ordinary citizens) which it performs badly.

Therefore, the solution for Uganda, for example, would be how to leverage its strength (allocative efficiency) while avoiding its weaknesses in implementation of government programs. This would lead us to separate the provision of public services from their financing. The government would remain involved in the economy by financing education, health, agricultural extension services, roads and energy. However, as far as possible it should concession out the delivery of these services to the market.The issue is not one of state versus market but how to use both within our specific context.

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Mwenda is not so helpful either
written by Rajab K, July 28, 2012
It is interesting that Mwenda found the lecture too narrowly focused and ideological to illuminate the challenge we face. However, if the issue is not whether or not to get states involved and it is not even how much or how less they should be involved. How then will it be possible to determine and ensure the allocation success, as you suggest in your observation?
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written by Lt .Col Adam kifaliso, July 28, 2012
Why did you attend the lecture Andrew ? It seems you know all you wanted to know , I think it would have better if you Andrew had given the lecture
universalization syndrome!
written by Denis Musinguzi, July 29, 2012
Andrew, like Stiglitz I work for a University, and the inherent pathology shared by most university lecturers is the tendency to universalize ideas and concepts; and associating them with universal outcomes irrespective of varrying contexts and/or existential realities. I am also tempted to think that by delivering a lecture in Munyonyo and about Uganda doesn't necessarily mean Stiglitz was talking to and in the interest of Ugandans, but more to his American godparents. As such, he doesn't have to waste time searching for a few facts about Uganda to inform his exposition, but to present a set of ideas agreeable to an audience that matters. Unfortunately I missed his presentation I had enthused to attend, and I can't forgive myself for that!
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written by Immaculate Nambi, July 30, 2012
I think the one factor that hasn't been given it's due importance in all these debates is the effect of governance on the economy. Any regulation is only as good as it's backing ( political will, integrity of persons in charge etc). E.g., I have very little trust for economic numbers presented by Bank of Ug only because I question the integrity of persons in charge ( Mutebile etc) and their motives. The people regulating interest rates also paid out colossal amounts of money to Basajja and paid for fighter jets without parliament approval. The Ministry in charge of our economics consistently presents requests for supplementary monies for the State H'se etc. I conclude that the regulators and policy makers work for Museveni and not Uganda. Goes back to the question of governance...
UGANDA NEEDS A CHIEF ECONOMISTS
written by Tina, July 30, 2012
Econ, its ideology is disturbing the world eg Banks cooking their Bks & da credit crunch .Economists should go back 2 da drawing board. Govt has done well in da regulation area but how could they get such a great Prof.to talk about regulation couldn't they ask him to talk about what hurts Ug e.g poverty,no jobs & income inequality and how to solve them.
1.Ug needs a Chief Economists who is for real.2.How can they give 5bn to the youth this cash could be used to build hotels/cottages in areas that attract tourists therefore jobs are created and da cash got is used to set up organized projects for the youth.
3. I Don't think Mulwana & Sekalala used 1 trillion to set up good farms cant the govt borrow such ideas from theses guys instead of giving money to small households.


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written by kato, July 30, 2012
Talking of traps, the one Mwenda finds himself in is really tough. Mwenda has a bad habit of thinking that he is smarter than his audience. The prof. can be faulted for many things but not giving the lecture Mwenda wanted is not one of them. Mwenda should go ahead and give a conuter lecture or for that matter discuss the content and not the style or form of one that was given. He can do it cheaply via an article in The Independent. Some of us understood where the prof was coming from plus all the nuance. Mwenda should not heckle but go ahead and publish a concise rebuttal.
Economist
written by Enoq, July 31, 2012
As much as i agree with andrew , that stliglitz didnt define the black box of regulation, Andrew falls short on what regulation implies,. regulation does not imply PPP but rather oversight bodies!´!!!! like BoU should regulate markets eg be4 any medical product is on the market, they are cross checked on whether they are good for human consumption, similarly be4 this sophisticated products like derivatives among others are put on market, they shud be checked. regulation example is what BoU is doing to control inflation. Note no single policy wont have costs and benefits.
What about the Discussants' (Mamdani's views)
written by James KITYO, July 31, 2012
For this particular article, I think Mr. Mwenda could have included the main discussants' views. I get the impression that Andrew has mentioned two or three things that were brought forward by the main discussant of the lecture, Prof. Mamdani. It would have been great having Andrew's views as an integral part of both Joseph Stiglitz and Mahmood Mamdani. For instance , Mamdani noted Joseph Stiglitz 's perspectives on regulation of markets as very recent considering his earlier roles in the Clinton governments as a neo-liberal policy architect. Mamdani asks, 'Why the sudden shif now?'. And ofcourse, Mr. Museveni's issue of 'No markets'.
Mr
written by Frank K Zimula, July 31, 2012
Although I subscribe to liberal ideologies,when it comes to gov't involvement in regulation of markets I take a totally different view. Its the over deregulation that has led to a massive increase in inequalities and services abuse in the developing world where opportunism and individualism has replaced the old nationalism. Gov'ts shd look further to creating policies that check the excesses of privatised markets that in most cases siphone wealth but invest little back into the economy. Service delivery shd also be the yardstick on whether deregulation works or not.
De-regulation doesn't lead to Innovation
written by Ali Pong, July 31, 2012
Economics, aside would you elaborate on how regulatory policies stifle innovation. Most of the technology in use today are based on discoveries made in the 50's, 60's and 70's, when strict regulation really worked . Is it just coincidence, that the 90's (peak of de-regulation) produced little useful discoveries? Where is the evidence for creativity/innovation supposedly encouraged by de-regulation? The only innovation stifled in those decades( 50's, 60's & 70's) was financial innovation, otherwise known as fraud.
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written by Lt .Col Adam kifaliso, July 31, 2012
OK , dears , I thought I would find a good answer to Andrew para-morphism of economics , but it seems , none of the pundits here has a clear on on dynamic of economies , the only economy that is deregulated in the world is that of m7's Uganda, don't be fooled that there is any country in the world with deregulated economy except Uganda. This is because dear leader has no clue of king of economy he is following or wants to follow . Up to now even the Ugandan dictator has failed to provide ARVs to poor people after boasting of opening up a govt drug factory at Luzira near Andrew's sweet home .good going to supermarkets owned by m7 enter Uganda tax free
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written by Lt .Col Adam kifaliso, July 31, 2012
OK , dears , I thought I would find a good answer to Andrew para-morphism of economics , but it seems , none of the pundits here has a clear view on on dynamics of economies , the only economy that is deregulated in the world is that of m7's Uganda, don't be fooled that there is any country in the world with deregulated economy except Uganda. This is because dear leader has no clue of kind of economy he is practicing or wants to follow . Up to now even the Ugandan dictator has failed to provide ARVs to poor people after boasting of opening up a govt drug factory at Luzira near Andrew's sweet home .goods going to supermarkets owned by m7 enter Uganda tax free , but not goods leaving Uganda to Kenya or Tanzania ,
LETS LOOK AT COMMON SENSE & BRAZIL
written by Rajab Kakyama, July 31, 2012
Andrew is right when he observes, 'nothing is straight jacket' there can never be a perfect system without regulation. So the question becomes: who regulates, what and how? Brazil comes into mind as one country that has so far come close to finding a middle ground to this problem. Gov't-private partnerships, provide a suitable solution as one becomes the watchdog of the other. However, a heavier load relies on the societies moral standing; ethos.
Crony Capitalism: Who Wants to be Regulate?
written by Ocheto, August 01, 2012
In Uganda you have the old natured corruption whereby corrupt, disgraced ministers and public officials are routinely exonerated, recycled backed into public services only reoffend and reinjure the public interest over and over again. In the US the problem is that the market forces (a collection of corporate and business interests) have become so powerful they indirectly run the state. They determine who governs (writes the rules and regulations and shoddy legislation) to the point that any attempts at regulating the markets always come naught. Until the state (politicians and public servants and service) is decoupled from the markets market failures are going to be the norm.
Crony Capitalism: Who Wants to be Regulate?
written by Ocheto, August 01, 2012
So many of the financial institutions, in particular the banks, hold the markets (and the state) to ransom because they are now too big to fail. In short the problem is deeper: the markets are unto themselves since they control their presumed controller: the state. Talking about regulating the market misses or avoids the real underlying problem of crony capitalism.
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written by Lt .Col Adam kifaliso, August 02, 2012
oh dear Ocheto , you just missed to mention that Andrew is now part of ''Crony Capitalism'' , he no longer writes to defend the right , he now writes to defend his interests which are increasingly becoming financial and economic or economical.
Soon Andrew will write supporting the importation low grade or fake medicines to treat the peasants ,because they act as placebo and peasants believe the govt is looking after them . Both Tamale Mirundi and Andrew Mwenda have become rich after crossing over from main opposition and defend the boss who once stole chicken and cassava from peasants to fight a bush war , money can buy anything ......!
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written by Lt .Col Adam kifaliso, August 02, 2012
So my friend Ocheto , I would like to conclude by noting this in simple ways always that the 2 men , that is the 2 main lubricants of NRM ideological machinery , these 2 that is, Tamale Mirundi and Andrew Mwenda are the Shanita Namuyimbwas (aka Bad Black) of the Yellow Revolution and His Excellency President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni Kuku Ngbendu Wa Rwakitura ,the silly white man . see how politics is born out greed sometimes , Tamale Mirundi flies moretimes than Bill Gates so is Andrew whom I hear has ordered his own private jet
It is all about equality
written by Ocheto, August 02, 2012
Mwenda has totally lost it, and so have so many countless others. They have become party to a kleptocracy that will only take Uganda backwards. Having a few rich people does not a (wealthy) nation make. Russia has more billionaires than millionaires but its economy is more third world than first. Only equality or striving to towards equality of services, equality before the laws, equality of opportunities, equality of access to resources, etc, will deliver these moribund republics to the first world standards or close to it. Mwenda brand elitism has been here since the beginning of time but it only created a few people polishing a few trinkets and handing over them to their descendants over and over again over generations with little no progress or prosperity.
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written by Lt .Col Adam kifaliso, August 03, 2012
I agree with Ocheto , how easy the poor loose their advocates , could this be the reason we have so many poor and so few rich in Africa , See how the president has come out to tackle Ebola epidemic , some say the dictator exploits anything for politics , he sees the situation as a chance to rig the elections in Kasese , by elections also nowadays means money for rogue police , Kayihura , electoral commission and local NRM party dogs , Ocheto I think you see the economic eunuchism within NRM , its ready to spend the last coin to steal the ballot than to buy food for the sick in hospitals , Is Uganda run by subhuman ?
perfect information among consumers....
written by sammy, August 09, 2012
I don't like this 'information asymmetries' stiglitz is so famous for; markets are perpetually imperfect, all market action(especially profit seeking) in the long run tends to zero-out this 'imperfection'. but since trends and consumer-preferences are in constant flux of change, the 'perfection' is never reached, new data comes in and opportunities(asymmetries) and profits(super high, or profits proper) go to those more aware of new state. Asymmetries are inherent in the market else we would be in equilibrium, perfect info for every market actor. Entrepreneurial action and competition sooner eliminates this excess profits and brings them to market-interest rate levels(natural). And since the market is self correcting, i don't think govt would do better where the market fails.

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