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Is Rwanda really a police state?

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President Paul Kagame last week won presidential elections by 95 percent of the vote. Such high performance was common in Sadam Hussein’s Iraq and other dictatorships. Basing on this analogy, many observers have concluded his victory was a product of political repression. But such an approach ignores the internal political dynamics that drive Rwanda and thus strip it of its history, context and specificity. A serious discussion of Rwanda must be rooted in its internal dynamics.

There is a widely held perception that Rwanda is a police state. I take this view seriously because it is widely shared by many residents and visitors to that country. Indeed, I have on many occasions argued with Kagame about it. But since he counters this argument by saying it is based on prejudice rather than knowledge of the country, we need to find a more scientific tool to guide our analysis.

If Rwanda is a police state, then it should indulge in extensive repression. The notion of repression means the state uses force to suppress citizen rights and to silence their demands. The existence of repression implies some norm of freedom; that people in a country are free to express themselves and to place their demands on the national political agenda.

Many people think there is or should be an abstract and universal standard of repression. But such a universal standard carries many problems depending on the specific circumstances of the country. The best way to overcome this is to provide a conceptual link between the notion of repression and the subjective feeling of being oppressed. If the subjective feelings of the oppressed can be shown to conform to the abstract standard, then there is no problem. But in the absence of such a conceptual bridge, we face an intellectual dilemma.

If Rwanda is a repressive state relying on the police to subdue people, then its citizens should hate the police. If its judiciary is compromised and unable to deliver impartial justice, citizens should feel so. However evidence shows the contrary.

The World Values Survey is the most respected source of research on attitudes of citizens to public institutions globally. It researches on institutional trust (the degree to which individuals in a country have confidence in its institutions like government, parliament and public administration). In its 2008 survey it found Rwandans to have the highest confidence in their public institutions of any country in Sub Saharan Africa.

Looking at institutions that should be the agents of repression in a police state (police and courts), 92% of Rwandans believed that in dispensing justice, their courts do not act under pressure from other powers; and 88 percent have trust in the police to be honest and fair. Rwanda was in the top ten countries with the highest trustworthiness citizens had in their public institutions in all indicators alongside the world’s leading democracies: Austria, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland and New Zealand. In Africa’s “democracies”, only 27 percent of Tanzanians and 23 percent of Kenyans trust the police. Democracies like South Africa (80 percent), Namibia (81 percent) Malawi (79 percent) scored less than Rwanda regarding the independence of the judiciary.

In a 2007 Gallup Poll on perceptions about corruption (one way rulers dispossess their citizens) only 22 percent of Rwandans thought corruption is widespread in their country. In “democracies” such as Zambia and Mali, 90 and 91 percent of their citizens respectively felt corruption is widespread in their country. The median for Sub Sahara Africa was 74 percent. Someone may argue that Rwandans are so deeply repressed, they lie to pollsters. But how come other repressive states like Saudi Arabia, Burma and North Korea do not score highly to be alongside democracies? Has Kagame bribed all these institutions to falsify results for him?

If Rwanda is a police state, we need a better and more nuanced explanation than mere accusations and assertions. Any conception of repression in Rwanda collapses when supposed victims feel differently. The only way to save such a deductive theory is to create a new one to explain the incongruity. And this is the dilemma critics of Kagame face.

Karl Marx faced this conceptual problem too. He had argued in his Labour Theory of Value that capitalists exploit workers by making them work more hours (surplus labour time) than was needed to create their wages (necessary labour time). But when the workers he claimed to be exploited did not feel that way, Marx propounded a new theory of “false consciousness” i.e. that they are unaware of their “actual” situation. Marx then called for a vanguard party to unmask the social myths and religious doctrines that prevent people from seeing things as they are.

However, such reasoning overlooks the very possibility that this may not be a problem of misperception. The concerned party may have his own standards based on their experience. This may cause him to make judgements about his situation that are quite different from those of an outside observer armed with a deductive theory. All freedom has a context.

Take the USA as an example: After 9/11, there has been extensive build up of security checks especially for people travelling to that country. They take our fingerprints, bank details, photograph our eyes etc. In airports, they check us up to our underwear. In abstract terms, it feels like entering a police state. In real terms, we accept these intrusions on our privacy because we know the context that has necessitated them.

In Rwanda’s case, people who lived through genocide feel certain restrictions (like ethnically loaded campaign slogans) are necessary to maintain stability. This may cause them to look at their political system differently from an outside observer. Therefore, in explaining contemporary Rwanda, we need to take the feelings of its people seriously.

Such an approach must begin at the bottom and ask what ordinary people think and feel given their context. I spent two weeks in rural villages of Rwanda recently doing exactly that. People confirmed the aforementioned survey findings. Arming ourselves with our prejudices and looking for an extremist fringe in Rwandan society to confirm them cannot be a respectable basis for fairly judging a government.

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there is a major flaw in your logic
written by susan thomson, August 25, 2010
You state that repression "means the state uses force to suppress citizen rights and to silence their demands". But then you fail to detail how the evidence was gathered to show that 92% of Rwandans believe its courts fairly dispense justice" and so on. Individuals cannot freely answer value-laden questions such as those of the various polls and surveys you cite in contexts where answers are given under the supervision of government authorities. You say also that you spent two weeks in Rwanda verifying survey results. Can you speak more about your methodology? Did you need to receive a letter of permission from t he government, did local authorities or other state actors escort you on your interviews, how did you meet the individuals you spoke with?


Andrew, what is the source of your authority on Rwanda?
written by Comrade Ado, August 25, 2010
Without going into the merits and demerits of Mwenda`s discourse on Rwanda, which is obviously an apologist stance, one is curious to ask what drives, motivates or even obsesses Mwenda with Rwanda. Is it a pay check, an ethnic orientation or sheer intellectualism? Your own country Uganda has critical issues that would merit your analytical mind but when one opens The Independent, you are overly preoccupied with explaining and justifying this and that action of the Kagame regime. Charity, they say, begins at home

Comrade Ado
Andrew, what is the source of your authority on Rwanda?
written by Comrade Ado, August 25, 2010
Without going into the merits and demerits of Mwenda`s discourse on Rwanda, which is obviously an apologist stance, one is curious to ask what drives, motivates or even obsesses Mwenda with Rwanda. Is it a pay check, an ethnic orientation or sheer intellectualism? Your own country Uganda has critical issues that would merit your analytical mind but when one opens The Independent, you are overly preoccupied with explaining and justifying this and that action of the Kagame regime. Charity, they say, begins at home

Comrade Ado
Evidence to justify existing positions?
written by Rwakaikara, August 25, 2010
Mwenda What you see depends on where you stand. Based on your publically held views and positions you have expressed in the past, you are already what one would justifiably call a "Kagame fan". Therefore while your evidence was collected in Rwanda it was collected to support a pre-exising bias so we can not rely on it. Mwenda you have sunk to a level where even Timothy Kalyegira with is conspiracy theories now sounds more credible!. Your magazine should now be renamed "The Apologist"!
Andrew, better do A PhD on Rwanda.
written by John Nduhura, August 25, 2010
He is really into Rwanda far better than Rwandese. He is a munyarwanda from Baganda tribe. He is such a fanatic of the Big Man. He will defend him in heaven or hell. What is the problem with that? The problem lies with us; the consumers of such serialized trash in the name of facts about Rwanda. He will soon proclaim himself the specialist on Rwanda. He expects an Honorary PhD from his friend/KP. Good Job Bro!
Mr
written by Mugabo, August 25, 2010
Dear World, For some people who do not from Rwanda or who do not follow the news may accept the advert some news papers do for Rwandan president Paul Kagame. Or it look like the world may try to forget quickly. But surely speaking if no thing done, the rwanda is like balloon which may explode at any time. Imagine a country where only the tutsi orphans and widows are only supported and completely close the eyes for the agony of hutu orphans and widows. The hutu are not allowed to commemorate the beloved who has been killed by RPF or hutu milicians. any overseas boursary is given to the tutsi children, army is 90% tutsi.
Dear World
written by Mugabo Fidel, August 25, 2010
There is no punishment for tutsi who wrongly accused that some one has committed a jenocide. Imagine spending 16 years in the prison for no reason and the is no punishment for some one who accused you wrongly. Imagine a country without an independant news papers,a country without realy political opposition. a country without a free speech. If no thing happen what happened in 1994 will happen again. Umuhoza victoire is in custody because she said that hutu who has been killed by RPF need a fair justice and the Paul Kagame is saying that that speech is a genocide denial !!!
Dear World
written by Mugabo Fidel, August 25, 2010
Paul Kagame get up in the morning and said that french will no longer used in the country and now the education is turmoil. If you make such commnet to kigali government the lovely answer is Rwanda is developing. When you ask the same question to Tony Blair personal adviser of Rwandan president he answers the same answer.
Rwanda is more than Police state:
written by Dunia, August 25, 2010
What you call Rwandese a police state with the agents of repression: this is true as everyone is being watched and repression has become as normal for Rwandan: Repression is now a new way of life and acceptable to the point that people are happy with to live in that BIG BROTHER HOUSE,rwanda.

Repression has taught Rwandan a new way of life to the point that some Rwandan has invented telephone coded communication
I think you have expressed the opposite of the truth when you say that 92% of Rwandans believed that in dispensing justice and 88&#xha;ve trust in police where have you got this figure??!!) Do you means that 92% don’t believe in Rwanda justice and 88% has no trust in police? If so, that can be TRUE.
This is simply noise...
written by Immaculate Nambi, August 25, 2010
Mwenda, you have finally suceeded at creating in this reader a massive dislike for the independent. There is no scintilla of "independence" in this excuse of a newsletter - it is simply partial, uncreative and mediocare.

Mwenda you suffer from a disease that is common to most african businesses, i.e., after you have been in business for a while you take your customers/readers for granted. But then again, I make an assumption that you write for a multitude of readers. Maybe you write for just one person - Mr. Kagame.

What I read from your paper is noise. Annoying noise. You ( Mwenda) and your paper will very soon become irrelevant, and ( I hope), absolete!

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written by kairu, August 25, 2010

Mwenda! Just stop writting your stuff on Rwanda!! Indeed it is slowly but surely making you irrelevant. They say a good journalist, like a good politician, is one when once bought remains bought. In that sense i salute you. Otherwise i may cease reading the Independent , i just feel sorry each time i read your articles on Rwanda.
Re:Let's think a little wider
written by Robert, August 26, 2010
I do understand the grievances that most Ugandans may have when a supposedly Ugandan publication is continuously turned into a PR paper for another country-in this case Rwanda. I would very much appreciate if the same attention was given by Mwenda to our country.

However, lets not lose sight of the bigger picture where micro issues such as one country are becoming secondary to macro issues such as a country, her neighbors, and the world altogether. This is where most Ugandan discourse goes wrong.By looking at how things are done else where we are better placed to guage our own country. Perhaps Mwenda is taking such a stance.May be some of the closed minds should open up and think outside the Ugandan box.
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written by Major Adam Kifaliso, August 26, 2010
Wama Andrew , enlight Ugandans about What Rwanda has gained under Kagame and what Uganda has lost under m7 , though both are egents of Coloniarists , m7 and Kagame run experimental regimes on behalf of once our masters , m7 runs a stateless regime whiile Kagame runs a statefull one , many western economies now run broke , big men want to see how to mantain national economies.
Let Ugandans learn from thier misery and Rwandese learn from state generosity . which of the 2 communities will appear more happy and healthy , sometimes if our m7 is not in his blue suites its hard to distinguish him from a kiboko squad commander
The new name of Mwenda
written by Kalisa, August 26, 2010
From today he is called Rwabugande Andrew Mwenda, A mutoro who likes Dictator in Rwanda, at the same time who fights a Dictatorship in Uganda. Rwabugande who hates corruption in Uganda, but same time accepting Amanyarwanda from Kagame, shame on you Rwabugande Mwenda, Ariko rimwe uzasubiza imisoro yacu
Hell yeah, Rwanda, like most African countries, is a police state
written by Ocheto, August 26, 2010
In order to avoid the messy realities of the world or the phenomenon they talking about pseudo-scientiest tend to abstract it out, to arrive at simple and meaningless solutions that only hide the ugly truth. Of course Rwanda is police state, just like Uganda is.Here is the difference. The USA, an idea, was constructed bottom up, whereas the rest world is constructed top down. Power in the US was voluntarily surrendered by the individuals to the state; the individuals opted in. For the rest of the world, power trickles down from the top. Because Americans believe they are born with individual rights, the US constitution was the first to specifically spell out those individual rights, enshrined in the Bill of Rights.
Hell yeah, Rwanda, like most African countries, is a police state
written by Ocheto, August 26, 2010
On the other hand the rest of the world is communitarian, i.e. individuals are born belonging to the community so they have to constantly demand they rights from the state; individuals are trying to opt out. That is why dictators in third world countries like Rwanda, hand rights and freedoms to individuals like god hands grace to mere mortals. So of course most countries, especially in the third world ones are police states, that is why to citizens, it feels normal to plead and beg for your rights from the state.
Hell yeah, Rwanda, like most African countries, is a police state
written by Ocheto, August 26, 2010
Karl Marx was victimized twice: first he died poor, destitute and homeless. And then in 1989, [he] his ideas were buried under the Berlin Wall rubble. It is poetic justice for a man who said we are all victims of history: history had the last word. Abstracting the messy world into simplistic notions of labor hours is the fallacy of both the Marxist and orthodox economic theories. What about leadership, organization, all the intangibles? Not all “man hours” are created equal, so they should never be subjected to the same abstraction.
INDEPENDENT OBITUARY
written by gafabusa, August 26, 2010
Mwenda the independent paper was your brain child and you have single handedly murdered it with your biased analysis of plain matters in the the glass for the world to see, just give your dead paper a decent burial. Instead of watching your critics you are praising your friends, yet the rule is take care of your enemies and God will take care of your friends.
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written by gafabusa, August 26, 2010
Mwenda for half a century africans are crying colonialism , amin, luwero massacre 25 years ago, genocide 16 years ago, when does our mourning stop? and economically develop nations. Singapore was a poor nation like african states 30 years ago but now it is was declared a developed nation. When strong institutions are put in place, there is no reason to use the past oppress people and justify issues historically. Otherwise the US would be use the civil wars history to oppress people now.
RWANDA UNDER KAGAME IS THE WORST POLICE STATE IN AFRICA.
written by DAVID, August 26, 2010
Its hyped stronomical pace of development notwithstanding,the Rwandan state under Kagame is almost the worst in Africa.The Economist Magazine in 2008 put it aptly that,"Kagame allows less political space and press freedom at home than Mugabe does in Zimbabwe".Its only apologists like Mwenda who are hell bent on lining their pockets that live in denial of this overt fact!!!.Little wonder that the latter is ever harangueing M7 forgetting dat his icon is the worst.Shame upon you and your think alikes.
mr
written by kiki, August 26, 2010
It is up to Rwandese. How do you rule genocidaires? Rwanda is supposed to be a prison state not a police state. 90% of hutus killed tutsis in genocide or were stand-by accomplices. How do you rule a country where citizenry are criminals? You keep tabs on them always,
Yes, Rwanda is guilty!
written by Falida, August 26, 2010
If having a functional State is a crime, then Rwanda pleads guilty as charged.
Empty attacks on the messenger (Part 1)
written by Falida, August 26, 2010
It's only illiterates who complaint with the road after being cheated in the market place. Surely, look how shallow your criticism is of Mwenda (not his messenger) just because he reports about Rwanda in the Independent. Your skin deep intelligence cannot allow you to realise how the whole region has its eyes and ears on Rwanda, all waiting for another magic to happen. Rwanda is making hot hot news, and that's why even hatemongers/pessimists are keen on keeping their ear to the ground. Blink eye and miss a true moment that is rare in this region.
Empty attacks on the messenger (Part 1)
written by Falida, August 26, 2010
It's only illiterates who complaint with the road after being cheated in the market place. Surely, look how shallow your criticism is of Mwenda (not his messenger) just because he reports about Rwanda in the Independent. Your skin deep intelligence cannot allow you to realise how the whole region has its eyes and ears on Rwanda, all waiting for another magic to happen. Rwanda is making hot hot news, and that's why even hatemongers/pessimists are keen on keeping their ear to the ground. Blink eye and miss a true moment that is rare in this region.
Empty attacks on the messenger (Part 2)
written by Falida, August 26, 2010
Following Mwenda's reports has indeed turned out to be an all-time occupation for some of you: you keep a tab on what is happening across the border, deep inside you wish to be part of the team that is making it happen. Some of you would actually beg to acquire Rwandan citizenship and passport that is well respected worldwide compared to your own. That's Rwanda for you. Well, I know David et al are preparing empty rejoinders explaining falsely how they would rather go to hell than come to Rwanda, just to satisfy their inflated egos. Hmmm, if you can't beat them, then join them.
Empty attacks on the messenger (Part 2)
written by Falida, August 26, 2010
Following Mwenda's reports has indeed turned out to be an all-time occupation for some of you: you keep a tab on what is happening across the border, deep inside you wish to be part of the team that is making it happen. Some of you would actually beg to acquire Rwandan citizenship and passport that is well respected worldwide compared to your own. That's Rwanda for you. Well, I know David et al are preparing empty rejoinders explaining falsely how they would rather go to hell than come to Rwanda, just to satisfy their inflated egos. Hmmm, if you can't beat them, then join them.
Empty attacks on the messenger (Part 3)
written by Falida, August 26, 2010
I know some people cannot stand the sight of a neighbour who is progressing, while his/her own home is on fire, dysfunctional and in a very sorry state. Such people tend to develop a type of self defense by projecting their (issues) on the stable neighbour by trying to view everything as faulty, bad and not necessary. Others compensate by trying to view it (neighbour's progress), as something they don't need (Does this remind you of the hyena and the sour grapes) . Either way, this is a complete wastage of time that would otherwise be fully utilised collaborating and learning from the neighbour (Rwanda!). After all, that childish attitude cannot stand in your neighbour's development path.
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written by Major Adam Kifaliso, August 27, 2010
m7 must sell his jet and make money available to develop our Railways . we dont want our Rails to be given to Egyptians and one Man an agent of Gadaffi , M7 has robbed Uganda clean and now he is selling our assets to foreigners , Poeple wake Up and fight this Rwandese dictator
Understand how media politics work (PART 2)
written by Onyango, August 27, 2010
Regarding Mwenda's articles, they are largely being criticised, not because they are factless (actually most of them are grounded with concrete facts), but because they are 'good news'. Those in the media industry know well that it's only bad news that makes good news, and it's what the skeptic general public (especially of a disgruntled and failed neighbour), would enjoy to read. No wonder therefore, that news about Rwanda, however factual, will always get some hostile reception in a neighbour whose people have lost the will to fight the lot in their own compound. Yes, Rwanda is a challenge that most of us would rather wish away than face and appreciate.
Of Major Kifaliso's disjointed comment
written by Majoro, August 27, 2010
Now, this is laughable. Major Kifaliso, or whatever his real name is, makes a disjointed effort to sweeten his comment about Uganda's railaway, by adding a silly reference to Rwanda. This is clearly a Ugandan issue that is only watered down by false inference to President Museveni as Rwandese. Had Museveni been Chinese or Brazilian would it add any meaning to the case in point or would it make him a different leader. Surely, some people are a disgrace and urgently need lesssons on how to define issues as good or bad not based on one's identity or ethnicity. Museveni is not bad or good because he is a Muhima, No. Everything is based on Uganda's political peculiarities and what he and others define as appropriate or inappropriate for for the nation.
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written by Eddie, August 27, 2010
Hmmm! Is Mwenda slowly but surely turning into a "useful idiot" willing to move to the highest heights to defend Kagame and the RPF government in Rwanda?
Why Rwanda must be bad!
written by Shakwe, August 27, 2010
Oh, it must be hard. Imagine looking up for guidance from a person whom you expected to kneel down before you in desperate need of relief from pain and poverty. Rather than submit to reason, some people would rather falsely present Rwanda as bad, disorganized and unstable. Yes, at times to plays to be one's self pity to be an idiot
Rwandan
written by Asaph Mark, August 27, 2010
My regret is that its only Andrew Mwenda who shows the world the real Rwanda.Come on do you want to pretend you do not know Mwenda? one of the best writers we have on this green earth of GOD? Keep it up Mr.Mwenda this is EAC and you should also be concerned with what is taking place in Rwanda.Oops where are your fellow writers?.
opinion
written by Lucas, August 27, 2010
hey thi article and all of Mwenda's is an opinion piece. if you cannot respect the opinion of 93% of a nation then its you who has issues, if you cannot respect the man then respect that he had opinions and has stood by them and unlike you has found a way too air it out, if you don't like it set up your own paper or blog and rant some he is not the devil coz he disagrees with you, 93% of rwanda does too, go ahead call them idiots
The Economist's view is closer to the truth
written by Ocheto, August 27, 2010
Much as I don't subscribe to the Economist's sometimes astrident tone and the relentleness with which it advocates the "virtues" of [western] capital markets - to absurd levels of idol worship - on Zimbabwean vs. Rwandan politics their views are embarrasingly closer to the truth. Mugabe, even if he is still in power was forced to "share" power; his is a lame duck government. But in places like Rwanda and Uganda typically journalists are routinely hounded like rats, if not thrown to jail, most often than not for merely writing meaningless and harmless sensational fictions. [Criticism of] elected public servants ought to be fare game.
SHAKWE/FALIDA:YOU'RE JUST MAKING FOOLS OF YOURSELVES.
written by DAVID, August 27, 2010
If you're portraying Rwanda to be organised,after just 16 years,why is it still struggling to resettle its nationals who're roaming the neighboring countries as refugees????,and you go ahead to redicule and despise such states that they're in a sorry state!!!!.Uganda was unstable for two decades(1966-86) but how many Ugandans did you see coming to your tiny and broke country to scrounge your meagre resources like you did to ours????.Your conduct is obnoxious in such a way that you betray the people who salvage you and without the magnanimity of M7 and Ugandans at large,i really don't know where you wicked souls would now be.Have you ever asked yourself why most of the Rwandese dash to Uganda when turmoil breaks up in your motherland??????
TRUE COLOURS OF A COMIC FOOL
written by Kamikazi, August 27, 2010
Ha ha ha, Now David has revealed all that makes him reason like a warthog. He hates Rwandans because they once lived in Uganda and made good use of the situation to return home. Food for thought: When Tanzania helped Uganda to overthrow Amin, did that turn Ugandans into Tz bootlickers!!! True, Museveni and Ugandans assisted Rwandan refugees and for this a hero's medal was awarded to Museveni last year. But just so you know, Rwandan officers equally helped Museveni to take power, assisted him to cub resistance in the north and East (Lakwena). But Rwanda will not go begging for recognition. Wapi.
TRUE COLOURS OF A COMIC FOOL
written by Kamikazi, August 27, 2010
Ha ha ha, Now David has revealed all that makes him reason like a warthog. He hates Rwandans because they once lived in Uganda and made good use of the situation to return home. Food for thought: When Tanzania helped Uganda to overthrow Amin, did that turn Ugandans into Tz bootlickers!!! True, Museveni and Ugandans assisted Rwandan refugees and for this a hero's medal was awarded to Museveni last year. But just so you know, Rwandan officers equally helped Museveni to take power, assisted him to cub resistance in the north and East (Lakwena). But Rwanda will not go begging for recognition. Wapi.
TRUE COLOURS OF A COMIC FOOL (Part 2)
written by Kamikazi, August 27, 2010
Yes, we know why every Tom, Dick and Harry (read: genociders, convicts and fugitives) finds sanctuary in your country that lucks functional systems. Yes we know why it is a free entry and exit for all. There is a Rwandese saying that: Iyo ubonye umuturanye asenya urugo rwe, umutiza umuhuro, literary meaning: You lend a panga to a neighbour who is destroying his own home . Do you need support/guidance or a panga?
PART-TIME THINKERS
written by Rodney, August 27, 2010
Not every person has enough brains to appreciate the fact that the pre and post 1994 Genocide era created an unprecedented exodus of two categories: genuine refugees running away from Habyalimana, preferring to settle outside, and thousands of suspected criminals running away from prosecution for crimes committed during the genocide. The last category includes suspected killers, rapists and actual organisers of the genocide who are scattered in neighbouring countries like Uganda, DRC and as far as Angola and Mozambique. This latter case has little to do with Rwanda's stability, but more to do with running away from justice. Simple logic for part-time thinkers...
PART-TIME THINKERS
written by Rodney, August 27, 2010
Not every person has enough brains to appreciate the fact that the pre and post 1994 Genocide era created an unprecedented exodus of two categories: genuine refugees running away from Habyalimana, preferring to settle outside, and thousands of suspected criminals running away from prosecution for crimes committed during the genocide. The last category includes suspected killers, rapists and actual organisers of the genocide who are scattered in neighbouring countries like Uganda, DRC and as far as Angola and Mozambique. This latter case has little to do with Rwanda's stability, but more to do with running away from justice. Simple logic for part-time thinkers...
Staging a fool's balldance
written by Sungura, August 27, 2010
I have just learnt about an incident that happened mid this week in the US, where Rwanda's military attache to Washington DC was put at gun point and robbed in front of the UN headquarters. Does this make the US an undemocratic and unstable nation?!, or it merely portrays how dim-witted intellectuals reason. Just asking.
Staging a fool's balldance
written by Sungura, August 27, 2010
I have just learnt about an incident that happened mid this week in the US, where Rwanda's military attache to Washington DC was put at gun point and robbed in front of the UN headquarters. Does this make the US an undemocratic and unstable nation?!, or it merely portrays how dim-witted intellectuals reason. Just asking.
How to stop the Rwanda Obsession
written by ANGEL, August 27, 2010
According to Margaret Muhanga MP (Mwenda's big sister), the best way to stop Mwenda from doing something is to ignore him!. I can see that most of you are incesed with his obsession with Kagame and have been hurling responses (and insults) at him. It is those responses (and his belief that his writings annoy M7) that keep andrew writing. It is not Kagame's Money-there is no Kagame money it it at all. The day you all stop commenting, Mwenda will move to the next topic!.
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written by Major Adam Kifaliso, August 27, 2010
Mr Majoro , the situation in Uganda has reached a critical level , the country is going broke and m7 is busy selling whatveer our grandfathers fought for for independence, M7 is now an agent of slavery and economic exploitation , hidding his evil works by naming them as investments , what about the fish in lakes which his investors have left empty , the pollution of waters and land and rendering our people without protein rich fish he failed to handle any funds like Gavi ,chogm and donor aid , we cant trust him with oil , its time to hit the snake on the head
Cycling around Museveni issues
written by Majoro, August 27, 2010
Major Kifaliso, you concerns over misuse of taxe payer's money, environmental concerns, oil drilling...etc may be legitimate, but have nothing to do with Muzeveni being a Muhima, Rwandese, Chinese, name it. And that was my concern.
THE TRUE COLOURS OF ZOMBIES(PART 1)
written by DAVID, August 28, 2010
Fellow countrymen,these Rwandese you see on this space a la Kamikazi,Shakwe,Falida,Rodney et al denigrating Ugandans are reanimated corpses(zombies) of the 1994 genocide controlled by the RPF magic to haunt Ugandans.Take a look at this imbecile,Kamikazi,arguing that the Rwandese assisted the NRA in the 1981-86 war.This was an "Hobson's choice" because they'd NOWHERE else to go.Following the 1982 Gabiro Accord between the Obote government and that of Habyarimana,the former started forcefully refouling them thanks to the indefatigability of his then Security Minister,Chris Rwakasisi,alleging that they were unstabilising Uganda.
THE TRUE COLOURS OF ZOMBIES(PART 2)
written by DAVID, August 28, 2010
This idiot,Kamikazi,further stretches his imbecility by purporting that the Rwandese helped M7 to suppress the internal rebellions during the NRM/A infancy.Do you think that Ugandans have forgotten how your RPF gods massacred their kinsfolks in cold-blood like at Mukura(1989),Bur Coro(1990) etc.The brigade commanders that operated in these areas were Banyarwanda.What about the "butchering" of our compatriots by your hero,Kagame,during his tenure in the DMI then located at Basiima House????!!!.Yes,those poor Rwandese officers won't beg for recognition but we offer them a "safe corridor" to escape Kagame's guillotine,simple!!!
THE TRUE COLOURS OF ZOMBIES(PART 3)
written by DAVID, August 28, 2010
Every now and then terrorists and genocidaires are trotting the western states including the Kabugas,Murwanashyakas et al whom Kagame is itching to nab.Does it mean that the systems of these countries are also less functional than those of Rwanda?????.Why is it that a myriad of generals in the RDF whom Kagame is paranoid of have slipped through the net of the country purported to be having "functional" systems????.Our country is a "free entry and exit" because unlike you,we're magnanimous people and thats why we harboured you during your dark times and thats why we were also hospitable to the escapees like the Nyamwasas,Karegyeyas et al who insulted us at the height of the Kisangani clashes.
DAVID HEEDS THE CALL TO A FOOLS' BALLDANCE
written by Chris Odoi, August 28, 2010
I guessed that David would rush to the floor and enjoy a fool's balldance and he did not disappoint. A true degenerate indeed. Give him a rope and he will be hanging by the neck the next minute. Look at his miserable effort to re-write historical facts just to appeal to emotions not logic. I served in the army in the 90s and its a fact that the only time Uganda had a functional intelligence system was when Kagame was in charge. Your desperate charge at Rwandese only brings to the fore your racist attitude that cannot change anything - Rwandans are here to stay and they enjoy constitutional rights and privileges as citizens of Uganda. Kibalume. I hail from the north but have no problem doing business with my Rwandan counterparts.
DAVID HEEDS THE CALL TO A FOOLS' BALLDANCE
written by Chris Odoi, August 28, 2010
Rwandans had no where else to go!! That's another fool's judgment, but history tells us that most Rwandans escaped persecution of the 1959, 60s and 80s through several neighbouring countries including Uganda, Burundi, Tanzania, Zaire, and far beyond to Belgium and Canada. The composition of the current Rwandan community is actually proof that the group from Uganda may not even make 8/100 of Rwandans. Well, life during that period may not have been good for the refugees, but it gave them morale to work harder in order to improve their lives both at home and abroad, while those who looked upon them became onlookers in self pity as they sunk deep into poverty, corruption and insecurity. The a fools' ball dance indeed.
All are one Coup d'Etat or a botched election away from politcal chaos
written by Ocheto, August 28, 2010
For a long, long time Kenyans ridiculed and abused Ugandans, thinking and believing nothing could happen to them, until the 2007 national elections. Everybody knows what happened: the script was flipped. Only Tanzania within East African Community hasn't, yet, lived through the political trauma that her other EAC's partner states have. But it could happen to them too, and moreover it could, again, happen to the gun happy Uganda, Rwanda, and Burundi. On the massacres at Mukura, etc, we know who are responsible; and you would be surprised the executioners weren’t actually "Rwandese". There were/are opportunistic Ugandans that are being abused by the dictatorship to extract ethnic revenges.
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written by Mr. X, August 28, 2010
A police state is a country where the law is unable to protect those who may disagree with ruling regime politically. This is the main reason why political opponents have to flee a particular country, for fear of persecution or worse! Hasn't anyone been forced to flee Rwanda because of their political views? Hasn't anyone suffered persecution because of their political inclinations? If the answer to either of these questions happens to be yes then perhaps Rwanda is a police state.
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written by Major Adam Kifaliso, August 28, 2010
Mr Majoro , are trying to suggest that m7 is a brianless fugitive figure not speciffic to Uganda's calamities he has ingineered to stay in power till he looses control of his bowels ?
CHRIS ODOI:YOU'RE FUSING YOUR IDIOCY WITH IGNORANCE(PART 1)
written by DAVID, August 28, 2010
According to Sitting Bull,"(If) you think i am a fool,you're a greater fool than i am" and so Chris Odoi,there you're.Your obscurity notwithstanding,how can you base your short-lived and questionable service in the army to Kagame's administration in the DMI???,what authority do you have to gauge the ability of our intelligence,you damn cunt???.You might even be a Munyarwanda trying to christen yourself with Ugandan names due to your inferiority complex,otherwise if you're a bonafide Ugandan,why don't you apply for Rwandese citizenship now that the Kagame you worship is the Rwandan president who's "ensuring the functionality of systems"????
Rwanda, Again???
written by Moses Khisa, August 28, 2010
Obviously Andrew Mwenda makes very logical and valid comments in this article. His conclusions are analytically arrived at, no doubt. But this chorus about Rwanda has really become too banal, it stinks! Somebody said Mwenda is being a true East African by focusing on Rwanda instead of Uganda, but why not Kenya? What does Mwenda make of the political developments in Kenya: the recently concluded referendum on the constitution and the governance situation under Kibaki's second term? May be the name of Mwenda's column should change from "The Last Word" to "Rwanda!"
CHRIS ODOI:YOU'RE FUSING YOUR IDIOCY WITH IGNORANCE(PART 2)
written by DAVID, August 28, 2010
Yes Rwandese almost had NOWHERE to go.In Zaire,Mobutu was either persecuting them or deporting them to his buddy,Habyarimana.In the Tanzania,especially in the refugee camps bordering Rwanda,the then army of Habyarimana's goverment(FAR) could raid them and arrest the suspected Tutsi rebels,while Burundi the situation wasn't different from Rwanda as it was also rocked by ethnic clashes.So Uganda was relatively a safe heaven for these self named Chris Odois(read banyarwanda) as they could melt into the rank and file of the NRA fighters.The inclusion of these elements in our constitution further buttresses my arguement of magnanimity thus here,Odoi you're contradicting and even making a fool of your own self!!!!
OH, THE SULKING IDIOTS!
written by Namakajjo, August 28, 2010
Now, these racist views and silly arguments are disapointing for some of us, avid readers of the Independent, who only hope to get positively informed about our country and the region. Let the observer cover anything (news worthy) that is of relevance to all its readers. I see no harm in reporting about Rwandan issues (bad or good as this page indicates: http://www.independent.co.ug/i...ional-news) if The Independent has a good audience both in Uganda and Rwanda. I also see no need of labelling everyone Rwandan (Even when they are actually Ugandan, American etc), just becaue they hold positive views about Rwanda or Kagame. Many Ugandans hailed Obama, does that make them Americans!!!
OH, THE SULKING IDIOTS
written by Namakajjo, August 28, 2010
This is not just a Mwenda issue: many Ugandans/Rwandans conduct good business across the border and wish to keep informed about any opportunities available. Their families also wish to keep abraced of events across the border. As I speak, my mother is part of a large Ugandan group participating in the ongoing International Trade Fair in Kigali. I find it better that the independent keeps us informed that no other paper has managed to do effectively. It is also in The Independent's advantage to establish a niche in the Rwandan market that is becoming increasingly angrophone. It makes business sense either way whether one adores or hates Kagame.
OH, THE SULIKING IDIOTS (PART 3)
written by Namakajjo, August 28, 2010
As you sulk with misplaced agression, many Ugandan schools and universities continue to reap big from Rwandan and Burundian students who flock here for education. Both KIU and Kabale University know what this means interms of income and recognition from a large student community that has an international diamension. Historical facts/ties also make Uganda and Rwanda intertwinned to the extent that turmoil or development in one country may greatly affect the other, and this explains why Kenya or Tanzania do not make a lot of hot news that the Ugandan readership may find very interesting. The exception is coverage of issues like the Migigo island or railaway breakdown that also relates to Uganda directly.
mwenda-the RPF public relations officer and kagame's press man.
written by tumuhairwe edward, August 28, 2010
Good job andrew ,that will earn you agood pay check and kla inflation will not trou8ble you bse you have your financiers in kigali,go on and beat the drums for kagame as well as laying the mats as your king roars high in his excesses."you are agood voice for the democracy of rwandan" since you can lie better.
Please, excuse the raving lunatic David
written by Chris Odoi, August 28, 2010
David, calling me Rwandan just because I appreciate Rwanda's recovery progress does not cutt off my Ugandan ties or stop you from being a nasty and circular psychopath . Ok, Rwandans almost had nowhere to go, so what!!! Has that supported them from reclaiming and rebuilding their nation from scratch!? What really matters is not where one stagnates, but where he is headed. Rwanda's journey has been long, and its progress (from a very low base) is not questionable unless one reasons like moron. Most regional states would still be grumpling in total misery had they experienced a total genocide. Let's clean the rot in our own backyard than distract others trying to make a head way. But you may all excuse David's seclusive personality. He is just a jackass.
FACTS ABOUT RWANDA/UGANDA ISSUES
written by Mutebbi, August 28, 2010
FACTS: Some Rwandans lived in Uganda, some Ugandans are living in Rwanda. Some Ugandans helped Rwandans, while others hated them. Rwandans also helped Ugandans, while others may have stepped on the toes of Ugandans in the process and during that period. Rwandans have reclaimed their country, while Ugandans stayed with their nation. Both nations are sovereign states and their peoples have very strong cross-border businesses and social ties. Each nation is trying to prove it is better and has a competitive egde over the other because of those ties. Competition is healthy. ANYTHING BEYOND THESE FACTS IS MERELY A FALSE STATEMENT, RUMOUR or RACIST VIEW.
True
written by Kapipo, August 28, 2010
I 100% agree with what David is saying.Almost all Rwandans who lived in Uganda before and after 1994 including top RPF people hold 2 passports(ugandan and rwandan).The RPA between 1990 and 1994 had a dependable rear base in Uganda.Training,logistics supply,hospitals etc were all arranged in Uganda. Instead of appreciating,the likes of Rodney,Kamikaze are only ridiculing the system that made them what they are. It is like a child killing their own father(Kisangani) If I may ask,how many critical Ugandans and for that matter Bahima have run into exile or killed because of Museveni? Food for thought.Having cleaner cities and dirty hearts as Dr Rudasingwa said on VOA is not gonna solve Rwanda problems in the long run.Please be aware sycophants.
Missing the point
written by Kabibi, August 29, 2010
I thought I read somewhere that Uganda (through museveni) was given medals by Rwanda in 2009 for supporting the war against the Genocide? What more does Ugandans need from Rwanda! May be some people expected the award to be handed out to Museveni on a bended knee. Whoever has a clean heart may cast the first stone.
CHRIS ODOI:YOU'RE SUFFERING FROM AN IDENTITY CRISIS(PART ONE)
written by DAVID, August 29, 2010
Well "Odoi",her alleged rot not withstanding,if defending my beloved motherland(Uganda),against the barbs of you vagabond-cum-scroungers translates me into a "nasty and circular(sic) psycopath",then i accept to be one,tenfold.With due arrogance and ignorance,you ask,"so what,if Rwandese had nowhere to go???!!!"(sic).I need to inform you that for the last 50 years,your refugee Rwandese compatriots were resettled in the Nakivale and Oruchinga camps comfortably scrounging Uganda's resources thanks to the industriousness and magnanimity of Ugandans.
CHRIS ODOI:YOU'RE SUFFERING FROM AN IDENTITY CRISIS(PART TWO)
written by DAVID, August 29, 2010
From there,you created amongst yourselves a class of primitive and ruthless herdsmen(balaalo) who go roaming from one region to another grabbing our fertile lands in search of watering points and pastures for your cattle in addition to bullying and harassing the owners!!!!!.We stomached all these burdens thinking that we're helping our African brethren only to discover later that we were co-habiting with just savages like yourself.Why weren't you airing your crap against Uganda in the pre-1994 period?????.You're some kind of fellas who'll air out their mum's mistakes publicly with an aim of mickey-taking.
KABIBI:THE SO CALLED "MEDAL" WAS ACCOMPANIED BY A BARRAGE OF ANTI-M7 ATTACKS.
written by DAVID, August 29, 2010
I need to inform you that no sooner than M7 left Kigali,than the country's then CDF,Gen James Kabarebe,called a news conference to indirectly respond to M7's speech.For details read,The Newtimes of 7/07/2009.This was also followed by another article penned by a senior RDF officer under pseudo name of Andrew Gashambizi that was under the headline,"President M7 squandered an opportunity"(The Independent,28/07/2009).Sincerely,can one offer you a gift accompanied by tantrums???!!!!!
DAVID: LOOPSIDED AS USUAL
written by Falida, August 29, 2010
You must be the "Sulking Idiot" Namakajjo was referring to earlier. Go ahead, prove to the world that indeed your IQ compares to that of a cockroach. So, Rwandans came to Uganda and later pushed natives out of their ancestral land, bullied the natives and took controll of all the grazing land for free! Well, It takes a genius to do that and only idiots would submit to such harrasment. By the way, my family still has many many hectares of good grazing land in Namutamba. How does that feel. Ha ha ha ha ah
MYSTERY BEHIND MUSEVENI"S AWARD!
written by Messycat, August 29, 2010
I happened to follow that occasion in Kigali. Museveni's speech stood out in several ways: firstly it praised only the NRM for the support given to the then RPA forces, unlike that of Nyerere's family, Eriteria PM that were humble enough to recognise that its Rwandans and partly RPA were indeed instrumental in stopping the genocide. Unlike Zenawi and other awarded dignitaries, Museveni only preferred to mention only Late Ryigema, and seemed to annoy some (Rwandan Officials). But this may not be the stand of the Rwandan government. Ofcourse this is just my humble interpretation as a foreigner who only happened to follow the proceedings in Kigali that day.
David: What is your point exactly!
written by Vivian, August 29, 2010
I'm getting abit confused here. First, your comments touched on issues of Rwanda not progressing and having poor leadership, and now your talk has drifted off to expose your hatred for Rwandans because of the alleged suffering inflicted on Ugandans before 1994. Are the two issues muturely intertwined! Don't you think your negative attitude and low opinion over Rwandans is affecting the way you view/interprete other things (negative or positive) that link or divide these two communities? Just for a change, try to detach your perceptions from the way you interprete issues. Otherwise, these are interesting, but sometimes childish, exchanges. At times, intellectuals who follow and participate need to make sense of what is being discussed.
True
written by Kapipo, August 30, 2010
David is angry and he is justified to be so.One writer above unjustifiably attacked Uganda by saying it is a free and exit lawless country.If it wasnt for Museveni and other many Ugandans,the situation in Rwanda would be different. Most of us believe that had Fred lived,may be our relations with Rwanda would be beyond excellent.May his soul rest in peace. Look at South Sudan which got a fraction of the assistance which Rwanda got from Uganda,they really appreciate.Same with Burundi current government,they appreciate the encouragement M7 gave them to peace negotiate.But it is just a minority in RPF who have become Judas to Uganda.The majority of RPF/RDA are good and appreciative.Please calm down David. Thank you.
To get or not to get special recognition from Kagame
written by Messycat, August 30, 2010
It is true that Museveni supported Rwandans, and Rwandans fought with Museveni. The issue is, should we bend that low to even expect a payback of whatever form for the support to Kagame's forces. Should there be any other special recognition beyond what other countries like South African and Burundi offered to Uganda? May be Museveni should just be contented that his support to 'clean' the region is bearing fruits whether beneficiaries choose to recognise that or not. That's what revolutionaries do. After all we never offered such 'special recognition' to Tz. I don't know, but may be Rwanda thought it had done enough through offering those 'contested medals' to Museveni last year.
ANDREW MWENDA IS A HIRED CONSCIENCE
written by Lakwena, August 30, 2010
I like the Ferrari-rate Andrew Mwenda puts his brain on paper about Kagame and Rwanda; which in return generate this number of responses. But let me first congratulate Andrew for the good fight, put up in the Constitutional Court, which led to scrapping of the obnoxious Sedition law. I don't know whether that law also exist in Rwanda Law Books? If it does, Andrew should cause Kagame to scrap the damn law; then we shall believe him. In my foresight, Mwenda is just a hired conscience for Kagame; with a perfect cartoonist view of reality. He does not mean what he writes about Rwanda. Therefore nobody should blow the top because of what he writes about Kagame and Rwanda.
ANDREW MWENDA IS A HIRED CONSCIENCE
written by Lakwena, August 30, 2010
I can see some subscribers getting at each others throats over Andrew spin. We all wish Rwanda well. But looking at Kagame and Rwanda through Andrew's eyes is synonymous with the Orwellian; Molly and the Sugar Candi Mountain. The current stability is an artificial stability , which is a deadly stability if cautions are not taken. In other words, it an impressionist stability, with flying balloons. You don't need a spear to deflate balloons. Just a pin, even a piece of dry grass can do the trick.
SIMPLISTIC VIEW OF RWANDA (Part 1)
written by Dodoli, August 30, 2010
It's not surprising that Rwanda is becoming a mystery to many. Skeptics are resorting to Doom's Day theories extracted from faulty analysis of the inside situation just to show that Rwanda is a time bomb ready to explode. No, the gov't is not bent on coating Rwanda's image to impress the outside world. On the contrary, it's mainly driven by a rounded development programme to touch people's lives, improve their welfare and build their sense of ownership in the stakes of the nation, which gradually affects their perceptions (that are also being reshaped through unity and reconciliation programmes) in a positive way towards their nation. Remember, those wrong perceptions were not inherent or inborn, but merely constructed overtime for political gains. The reverse can work too.
SIMPLISTIC VIEW OF RWANDA (Part 2)
written by Dodoli, August 30, 2010
True, the challenges are enormous, but the remedies are not disappointing at all. Rwanda is borrowing from its roots (Examples: gacaca : community trials for genocide cases; umuganda for communal activities; abunzi who are local mediators), to re-build its self. During the genocide, many people were driven to kill/collaborate by several factors: they either feared to lose their property, wished to loot/gain property, were being forced to participate or had completely nothing at stake to lose. Such artificial forces on the human mind are not in-built, and the goal now is to re-construct that social fabric. The change is impressive, but gradual, as Rwandans own their development agenda. No, it's only your faulty perception that is exploding, not Rwanda.
MATERIALISTIC VIEW OF PROGRESS & DEVELOPMENT IS FUTILE
written by Lakwena, August 30, 2010
Dodoli, that's where you and Andrew Mwenda get things wrong. Your perception of progress and development is materialistic and futile. The human person is not a piece of metal; which you twist to fit the shape you want. Non of us know exactly how many people were emotional hurt when RPF ran-over Habyarimana's regime!: How many, who were never part of Habyariman cronies; lost scarce land and other properties to 35-year resentful, returnees (refugees) from the diaspora. Most of whom had nothing in their names wherever they returned from, except free AK47 from Uganda. Most likely those who entered Kigali first were the first to grab whatever they can put their hands on. and late-comers got the crumbs.
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written by Mupenzi, August 30, 2010
Sadists like David shouldn't cry foul play.Why would David accuse Rwandans of grabbing uganda's resources if they themselves(ugandans) standup to fight them? It shows total imaturity that is in David.
David in which class are you? Primary Seven perhaps and learning composition writing? grow up man tuswaala.
DEV"T AND PROGRESS AFFECTS (EMOTIONAL) STABILITY
written by Dodoli, August 30, 2010
It is common knowledge that a hungry person's attitude is very different from that of a person who is assured of the next meal, improved welfare and a stake in his/her community's development, according to political and development economists. In Rwanda's case, it goes deep into counseling the inner scars of women who were raped during the genocide and infected with HIV/Aids, orphans born out of such acts, young people who witnessed their relatives being butchered, sexually abused, among others. It touches the resettling self-confessed killers into the same community they hurt and helping the community to focus not on issues that divide them, but those that require joint effort like fighting against poverty, HIV/Aids and raising incomes through help-help projects.
DEV"T AND PROGRESS AFFECTS (EMOTIONAL) STABILITY
written by Dodoli, August 30, 2010
It is common knowledge that a hungry person's attitude is very different from that of a person who is assured of the next meal, improved welfare and a stake in his/her community's development, according to political and development economists. In Rwanda's case, it goes deep into counseling the inner scars of women who were raped during the genocide and infected with HIV/Aids, orphans born out of such acts, young people who witnessed their relatives being butchered, sexually abused, among others. It touches the resettling self-confessed killers into the same community they hurt and helping the community to focus not on issues that divide them, but those that require joint effort like fighting against poverty, HIV/Aids and raising incomes through help-help projects.
DEV"T AND PROGRESS AFFECT (EMOTIONAL AND NATIONAL) STABILITY (Part 2)
written by Dodoli, August 30, 2010
Leave Mwenda out. Rwanda's complex situation goes beyond mere mention of gun-trotting RPA soldiers grabbing property. Just to put the record straight ALL, and I say ALL, property that had been grabbed (kubohoza) was returned (many years ago) to the rightful owners, including suspected genocide convicts like Kabuga.
The resettlement programme covers all kinds of returnees whether from Uganda or Belgium, irrespective of their background. This has even been a cost where parts of the Akagera and Virunga national parks had to be left aside for human settlement. Recent returnees from Tanzania are some who benefited from the big chunks carved out of the farms that were taken away from Rwanda's generals and officials.
DEV"T AND PROGRESS AFFECT (EMOTIONAL AND NATIONAL) STABILITY (Part 2)
written by Dodoli, August 30, 2010
Leave Mwenda out. Rwanda's complex situation goes beyond mere mention of gun-trotting RPA soldiers grabbing property. Just to put the record straight ALL, and I say ALL, property that had been grabbed (kubohoza) was returned (many years ago) to the rightful owners, including suspected genocide convicts like Kabuga.
The resettlement programme covers all kinds of returnees whether from Uganda or Belgium, irrespective of their background. This has even been a cost where parts of the Akagera and Virunga national parks had to be left aside for human settlement. Recent returnees from Tanzania are some who benefited from the big chunks carved out of the farms that were taken away from Rwanda's generals and officials.
Get real
written by Lakwena, August 31, 2010
Dodoli, you accused some of us for being over-simplistic, but you have fallen into that trap. The RPF pushed the hands of killers and rapists.Those who were raped, infected with HIV/Aids have all the rights to point their fingers at you and RPF. Because otherwise, before the invasion of 1990, there were no rapists and killers to the proportion of the 1994 mayhem. When will some people take responsibility for their errors in making judgment?
GETTING REAL
written by Dodoli, August 31, 2010
Lakwena, I almost thought we were into an intellectual debate over issues that is far above mediocrity. Your questions are best answered by equally analysing this: where millions would be had Rwanda not been liberated!! Tell the world, would you rape your mother or sister just because your father is mistreating you! The cost of liberating Rwanda was crosscutting and many of us lost sister, brothers, fathers and mothers, but for a good cause they supported of having a place called home.
Rwigyema not Kagame was Museveni's anointed one and its all about land
written by Ocheto, August 31, 2010
Museveni couldn’t be as magnanimous as Nyerere, who after “liberating” Uganda only said he wished Uganda happiness. Nyerere at Kololo: “Are you Happy? [Crowd clapping and laughing]; I hope you are happy and [if] because you are happy I am happy”. Mu7’s is bitter his anointed son, Fred Rwigyema, never made it. He doesn’t really like Kagame, who even some Tutsi think is undeserving of the presidency because he isn’t from the clan of Kings. Mu7 and Kagame fought in the Congo, when they were supposed to be on one side enthroning Kabila[Imagine the Americans fighting the British in Iraq]; and then several cross border troop skirmishes between Rwanda and Uganda thereafter.
Rwigyema not Kagame was Museveni's anointed one and its all about land
written by Ocheto, August 31, 2010
By the time the so-called congratulatory ceremonies was held so much blood had been lost between the two men, the ceremony was all for a show. On bloody and violent politics of Rwanda, Uganda, and Kenya: it is all about the population pressure on land. The politics is that the trigger mechanism. The genocide in Rwanda [1994], the post election mayhem in Kenya [2007], and the deadly Kampala street riots [2009] got the impetus from population pressure on land. The neighbor hacked each other to create land room for them. The number one reason for murders in the rural areas is land disputes. The wealthy, corrupt political elite fight over land just viciously as the peasant class does. You haven’t seen anything yet.
GET REAL
written by Lakwena, August 31, 2010
Dodoli, You make me sick with some of your self-sanitizing arguments. Let me resuscitate your dead conscience! You can't rattle a poisonous snake in a dark room with children running around. You cannot deliberately start a fire and put it out after it has destroyed a lot, and go ahead to congratulate yourself. For you and Co. 800,000+ lives is no big deal so long as 10,000 exiles return and take over their space. Because of your recklessness some of my best friends in Rwanda were murdered without a trace of their remains. In the 94 hysteria; one Philippino friend with her 7-month, first pregnancy and her Rwandese husband (Tutsi-Hutu parents) on the Great Trek to Goma were picked at a roadblock and slaughtered.
GET REAL
written by Lakwena, August 31, 2010
Whoever starts an unjust war is the worst criminal under the sun. In most cases they are very selfish over-weeny about themselves. They sacrifice others for their fiendish greed. Have you ever thought of a false fire alarm in a movie theater? When a stumped breaks out and few people get trampled and killed; do yo blame those who trampled others or you should blame the one who made the false alarm? Museveni and Kagame are cut from the same cloth; they are guilty of causing the death of millions (four) of people in the Great Lake Region. Is that liberation? In Uganda Museveni pushed the hands of the LRA to cause mayhem in Greater Northern Uganda. That is the deliberate snake-rattling I am talking about. Twisted minds.
CRYING MORE THAN THE BEREAVED
written by sulaya, August 31, 2010
Lakwena, that's noise from someone trying to cry more than the bereaved. It's nothing else, but your low understanding of issues, that makes you sick . Look at how you jump around issues like a lost sheep: one minute you state that dev't and progress do not relate to stability, and the next, you're busy blaming the genocide on those that stopped it. The genocide had its roots: the killing, degrading and emotional harassment of Tutsis did not start in 1990 when the RPF attacked, but goes way back to 1959, 60s, 80s. Look up the definition of genocide and understand that it is normally prepared by those in power. Wars are not waged just to 'take over (sic) space' of people who were already killed, internally displaced, marginalized and under death threats. Beat's logic.
CRYING MORE THAN THE BEREAVED
written by sulaya, August 31, 2010
Lakwena, that's noise from someone trying to cry more than the bereaved. It's nothing else, but your low understanding of issues, that makes you sick . Look at how you jump around issues like a lost sheep: one minute you state that dev't and progress do not relate to stability, and the next, you're busy blaming the genocide on those that stopped it. The genocide had its roots: the killing, degrading and emotional harassment of Tutsis did not start in 1990 when the RPF attacked, but goes way back to 1959, 60s, 80s. Look up the definition of genocide and understand that it is normally prepared by those in power. Wars are not waged just to 'take over (sic) space' of people who were already killed, internally displaced, marginalized and under death threats. Beat's logic.
Understanding Nyerere's issues with Uganda
written by messycat, August 31, 2010
It was indeed worth lauding the late Nyerere's attitude towards Uganda immediately after ousting Amin. The concern that many people still have regards the way Nyerere politically maneuvered around and supported intrigue among Ugandan politicians as he prepared the stage for Obote's seconding coming to power. I don't know anything about Museveni anointing Rwigyema, but I don't want to imagine what would have become of Rwanda led by person whose allegiance is with another foreign leader but not the nationals. Those who knew Rwigyema describe him as a leader who was above that kind of political game. I'm reminded of early tribal leaders whose freedom came at a cost of paying tributes to other stronger monarchies/groupings. Just imagine that...
Understanding Nyerere's issues with Uganda
written by messycat, August 31, 2010
It was indeed worth lauding the late Nyerere's attitude towards Uganda immediately after ousting Amin. The concern that many people still have regards the way Nyerere politically maneuvered around and supported intrigue among Ugandan politicians as he prepared the stage for Obote's seconding coming to power. I don't know anything about Museveni anointing Rwigyema, but I don't want to imagine what would have become of Rwanda led by person whose allegiance is with another foreign leader but not the nationals. Those who knew Rwigyema describe him as a leader who was above that kind of political game. I'm reminded of early tribal leaders whose freedom came at a cost of paying tributes to other stronger monarchies/groupings. Just imagine that...
Cold Blooded
written by Lakwena, August 31, 2010
sulaya,That is how cold-blooded you are. I don't know the level of your consciousness and morality. You may need a lesson or two to get real. Since we cannot control the outcome of our actions, the morality of an act cannot depend on the outcome or consequences, but must be judged based on the motive of the actor. What was the remote cause of the 1959 crisis; wasn't it because of arrogance and ethnic imperialism? If you did not go back by force in 1990; you would not be in power now; but those 800,000+ innocent people who perished in 1994 would still be alive now walking the village paths and streets in Rwanda. But because of your arrogance you again stirred up the hornet nest. You killed the very people you wanted to save!
Leaving the last word to a fool
written by messycat, August 31, 2010
It is now clear: you seem to be an insider (of The Independent) trying to create an silly argument that may only help to populate this space with comments and rejoinders. Well, I will not fall to your tricks. Just reply this and take the last word only reserved for a complete fool.
mr
written by mugaga, September 01, 2010
On behalf of all ugandans i want 2 apologise to our beloved brothers and sisters of rwanda over David's remarks. we ugandans dont behave like that, he cud even be a non-ugandan posibly a somali wanting to tanish our gd r/ship with our brothers the rwandese must know is that most ugandans are just demanding for proffesionalism from our very own, but not to arouse hate sentments. As 4 mwenda wen writing about issues or individuals try to give the darker side of them. I think thats is wat creating the paraonia about rwanda. Next tym try writing about kenya, tz, etc
Thank you
written by Kapipo, September 01, 2010
Though your views about Rwanda are controversial,Andew your paper on a positive note is creating an intresting debate quiet foreign to Rwanda.I hope you get time off of your multi million international PR business empire to read what people are contributing. I suggest you apply for a column blog page in the New Times on which to air your views and then allow comments.Also if you could start a rwandan language version of The Independent( or even a french one) they would all attract massive readership especially in the diaspora. I bet that would be good business Andrew and please if all goes well,allow me to send you an invoice.Thank you
Resorting to invectives is a sign of being shallow; all real empires exist in space and time
written by Ocheto, September 01, 2010
When some one resorts to hurling invectives you know they are an empty tin that makes noise and incapable rational debate. Nor should hyperventilation replace arguementation. But free speech is more important than no speech at all. Even an internet empire needs a cyberspace, unless yours is a figment of your imagination, in which case it is only a fantasy: fairy tale. Nyerere succeded in returning his friend Obote back to Uganda, that is why he could afford to be magnanimous, unlike Museveni who failed to return his favorite lieutenant, Rwigyema, back to Rwanda.
Umm. Interesting piece, shocking results, ethically lacking
written by Bulcanan, September 04, 2010
Over the years I have done volunteer work for Amnesty international and are fairly informed on what constitutes a "police state" and all its dark alleys. I am have met and heard of stories of individuals who'd been tortured as punishment for association with family members that authorities in Rwanda consider "Genocide perpetrators". For example, 2 benefactor non-state actor organizations we sponsor in Kenya have had a 40% increase in the number of Rwandan asylum seekers in the last 5 years;
Adding to above
written by Bulcanan, September 04, 2010
quadrupling the budgets availed towards the rehabilitation of the victims of state repression in Rwanda. If the arguments in Mwenda's article herein are true, Andrew has single handily disproved; the victims of Rwandese State repression, the US State Department, the Canadian Center for Victims of Torture, the International Commission of Jurists, and the many men and women who work for the promotions of liberty around the world. Not even Sigmund Freud could pull that off.

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