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Museveni-Kabaka fallout: End of the 23-year alliance?

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For three straight days, riot police and the military battled rampaging demonstrators  in Kampala and several parts of Buganda who were protesting the government’s decision to block Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi (king) from touring Kayunga district, where he was due to preside over Buganda Youth Day celebrations. Kayunga is in Buganda Kingdom but a section of the Banyala sub-tribe, comprising 2.7% of the district’s population, were reportedly opposed to the Kabaka’s visit.

With at least 15 dead (although other reports say 21), about 600 arrested, among them Kawempe South MP Sebuliba Mutumba and Kyaddondo South MP Issa Kikungwe and journalist Kalundi Serumaga, the return of sanity to the central region has not just been received with relief but has left many Ugandans asking what this altercation with Buganda means for the future of Buganda kingdom, President Yoweri Museveni, and the country in general.

In his short address to the nation in the middle of the riots last week, President Museveni said that he [and the NRM] had fought many battles in the past and won, and that he would win this one [of the riots] as well. While the President certainly won the battle through the overwhelming display of force and thus forcing the Kabaka to back off the Kayunga trip, many pundits believe that Museveni may have lost the war for Buganda, just like his nemesis Milton Obote who won the battle of Lubiri in 1966 against Kabaka Fredrick Mutesa but actually lost the war – leading to his overthrow in 1971, and “defeat” by NRA rebels in the 1980s.

“There is likely to be no rapprochement between Buganda and Museveni, I do not see an opportunity for that in the near future,” said Prof. Fredrick Jjuuko of Makerere University’s Faculty of Law.

This is a view shared by another Makerere University political science lecturer, Dr Sabiti Makara. “The implications of last week’s standoff are broad. Museveni is in a Catch-22 situation. He restored the monarchies opportunistically to use them for his political ends, just like Obote did when he allied with Kabaka Yekka. Now he must sort them out but the problem is how?” said Dr Makara.

While many think it is now a question of when, not if Museveni will be pushed out of power, Makara thinks the President may weather the storm and possibly manage to salvage his image in Buganda in time to win significantly in 2011. “Museveni will survive temporarily because he still has the support of political leaders in Buganda,” Makara said.

 Highlights of Buganda- Museveni relationship

1985: The NRA/M took Kabaka Muwenda Mutebi to liberated areas in Buganda to drum up support for President Museveni’s rebel movement.

In 1992: Museveni chairs High Command meeting in Gulu which endorsed restoration of kingdoms.

July 1993: Buganda Kingdom is restored and Kabaka Muwenda Mutebi is crowned as the 36th king of Buganda at Nagalabi-Budo in Wakiso District.

1994: government hands the Lubiri and Bulange (formerly Basima House) back to Buganda kingdom. But Buganda continues to agitate for the return of more kingdom assets.

1995: (Chief Prince) Ssabalangira Besweri Mulondo opposes Buganda’s demand for a federal system during the Constituent Assembly. As a result, the motion is defeated but Buganda continues pressing for federo.

August 27, 1999: President Museveni attends Kabaka Mutebi’s wedding and donates 100 cows to the royal family.

1996: Buganda starts asking the government to hand over all the kingdom property appropriated by President Milton Obote’s government in 1966.

February 1998: Buganda officials and some opposition MPs start campaigning against the Land Bill 1998.

May 1998: The Buganda parliament (Lukiiko) rejects the Land Bill, saying it would dispossess the Baganda of their land.

July 1998: Parliament passes the Land Bill into an Act. Buganda suspends the Kabaka’s 5th coronation anniversary in protest against the Land Act. Buganda’s Katikkiro Joseph Ssemwogerere declares a mourning over the Land Act. He accuses President Museveni of failing to recognise the key role Buganda played in bringing him to power.

January 2001: Kabaka sacks kingdom ministers believed to be supporters of opposition presidential candidate Dr Kizza Besigye after government accused Mengo of being partisan.

December 2004: The Baruli say they cannot subject themselves to Buganda’s hegemony. Mwogeza Butamanya is installed the Buruuli cultural leader. President Museveni pledges to give him an official car.

March 2005: The central government and Mengo start talks over the return of the kingdom property and the federal system.

May 2005: Government proposes the alternative “Regional Tier” system.

June 2005: Lukiiko rejects the Regional Tier.

April 2006: Police deploy at Nakasongola District headquarters after Baruuli threatened to block Kabaka Mutebi from presiding over the launch of Bika bya Baganda Football tournament.

April  2007: Mengo opposes government’s move to give away Mabira Forest to the Mehta Group for sugarcane growing. The Kabaka offers his land in Kyaggwe, Mukono, to save the natural forest.

May 20, 2007: Buganda Lukiiko opposes direct talks between Museveni and the Kabaka about the federal system. Lands Minister Omara Atubo says Buganda will not repossess her 9,000 square miles unless the Constitution and the Land Act are amended.

April 2007: Leaders from Buganda’s 18 counties petition President Museveni to abandon the giveaway of Mabira Forest.

April 20 2007: Mengo vows to fight the application of DDT by government to fight mosquitoes saying the chemical causes detrimental effects on human beings.

July 2007: The Lukiiko resolves to oppose the resettlement of Balaalo (nomadic cattle keepers) in Kyankwazi in Kiboga District.

October 2007: The Lukiiko rejects the Land Act Amendment Bill.  Mengo says the amendments are intended to deprive the Kabaka and landlords of their rights over land.

November 2007: Kabaka sets up the Central Civic Education Committee to sensitise Baganda about the potential effects of the Land Act Amendment Bill.

December 2007: The CCEC intensifies its campaign against the land reforms across the kingdom. Museveni is revolted. He writes a letter to the Kabaka over what he called “growing intrigue, bad faith and seditious tendencies” at Mengo. Mengo administration replies to Museveni denying any wrongdoing. Police summon three kingdom officials David Mpanga, Daudi Zziwa and Meddie Nsereko for allegedly inciting violence and promoting hatred against the government.

December 31, 2007: Kabaka reshuffles cabinet and appoints youthful ministers, indicating a shift from the conservative old guard.

February 2008: Mengo threatens to sue the central government over the controversial land reforms and delayed return of Buganda’s property.

July 2008: Lukiiko protests against Museveni’s call for Bibanja holders to form associations.

On July 18 2008: The government arrests Buganda’s Minister of Information and Cabinet Affairs Charles Peter Mayiga, his deputy Medard Lubega, and Betty Nambooze, the head of Central Civic Education Committee for undermining proposed changes to the 1998 Land Act.

May 2009: President Museveni tries to call the Kabaka to discuss the growing friction between Buganda and the Banyala in Kayunga. The Kabaka refuses to answer Museveni’s telephone calls.

July 19, 2009: Lukiiko tells government to relocate the capital city from Kampala to another area within or outside Buganda.
June 2009: The central government tables in Parliament the Kampala Capital City Bill 2009 which seeks expansion of the city’s boundaries to include parts of Wakiso, Mpigi and Mukono districts. Buganda opposes the Bill.

Indeed Vice President Gilbert Bukenya, who is also MP for Busiro North, reportedly supported the President’s heavy hand against Mengo and the rioting Baganda youth during the State House meeting with Buganda NRM MPs on September 10. This seems consistent with the VP’s recent private posturing. In an interview with one of our reporters recently, Bukenya disparaged Mengo claiming it had no real influence over ordinary Baganda.

“In my constituency no one listens to Mengo,” he told The Independent in July, although he later issued a statement denying bits of the interview.

But if the President is banking on the region’s political leaders, then he might be standing on shaky ground. At this critical time the other NRM Buganda MPs seemed to have been cowed into silence while prominent Baganda leaders in government like Prime Minister Apolo Nsibambi, Speaker Edward Ssekandi, Attorney General Khidu Makubuya have also been conspicuously silent; neither speaking out for the Kabaka, nor for Museveni. They have also not publicly condemned the violence – of the rioting youth – and the brutality of the army and police. Is it because they feared Museveni or their tribal constituency which seemed to be solidly behind the king?

Indeed former State House political intelligence officer turned regime critic Charles Rwomushana told The Independent that the President’s enemies from within seem to be nudging him into self destruction.

“Museveni’s political machinery in Buganda has crashed; it is not helping him,” he said, rhetorically asking; “In this entire crisis, who of the NRM political leaders has come out to calm the Baganda, why?”

Be that as it may, in orchestrating the events of last week, President Museveni seems to have been reading from the same script as his vice president and his coterie of Baganda advisers and loyalists: that Mengo has no political influence in Buganda that it is a “mere NGO”.

But the riots demonstrated that Mengo does have cultural influence which ultimately is political. Some analysts say the President’s undoing was in failing to properly define culture, or over-estimating his ability to juggle the kingdoms for his ends.

“Culture cannot be divorced from politics. Museveni knows this, which is why he did not restore Ankole kingdom as merely a cultural institution. He knew Buganda’s monarchy was political because it has always been. But he opportunistically wanted to use it, and hoped to be the only one to use it. But now the opposition is also taking advantage of the cultural institutions and it seems to be gaining the upper hand,” said Makara.

It is this shift of alliances that has angered and is worrying the President. Even over his latest ally Bunyoro, where the President seemed to be in charge, pundits opine that in fact it is Bunyoro now dictating the President’s agenda as witnessed by his controversial proposal to “ring-fence” certain political positions in the area for only the indigenous people at the exclusion of the settler tribes and promise to push through Parliament a Bunyoro Act!

However the riots also showed Museveni’s other side, that of an unrelenting military General who never gives up no matter the velocity of the storm. Despite the raging riots threatening to spill to the countryside and the rising number of the dead on the streets, Museveni remained unshaken. He deployed abundantly and declared that the Kabaka would not be allowed to visit Kayunga unless the king fulfilled the conditions of the state. Museveni successfully positioned himself as a hard nut to crack. This is a huge lesson to any opponent intending to confront him now or in future, showing that Museveni is not the type to succumb to his opponent’s pressure.      

Which way Buganda?

For Buganda, the events of last week have demonstrated three important things: that the Kabaka still wields political influence over his people in spite of the fact that the constitution limits his role to purely cultural matters; that Buganda can speak with one voice; and that Buganda can cause change or continuity to the status quo.

The direction Buganda decides to go at this moment in time will ultimately shape the future of this country, like it has done in the past – i.e. collaboration with colonial invaders in 1890s, allying with Obote in 1962, supporting Idi Amin’s coup in 1971, and allying with Museveni’s NRA rebels in 1981 against the Obote II government.

Already, the riots of last week seemed to demonstrate a convergence of Buganda’s problems with those of other parts of the country and blocking the Kabaka was only the trigger for all aggrieved Ugandans especially the youth to vent their anger against a state in which they increasingly have no stake.

“This is simply the trigger. There are many people who are discontented but as tribes – Acholi, Langi, Iteso, Basoga, Banyoro, Bakiga, etc so Buganda just becomes the spark to ignite the fire,” says Rwomushana, adding that if a charismatic politician unites these tribes, Museveni’s political survival may crash down.

Makara too agrees, saying it is likely that the many unresolved issues like the alleged northern and eastern Uganda marginalisation are going to find convergence with the Buganda question just like other traditional cultural institutions. That will spell trouble for Museveni, observers say.

The question, however, is whether Buganda will take the mantle of leadership from a national point of view, not its usual regional perspective. In the past it has failed to do so, which perhaps is the reason the President is not losing much sleep.

Crisis of legitimacy

While Museveni remains firmly in charge, last week’s riots raised questions of the legitimacy of the President’s leadership, says Prof. Juuko.

“How quickly Museveni resorted to the army shows he is unable to build political consensus and must resort to the last card – the military – to resolve a political issue, an issue of democracy,” he said.

By contrast, Kabaka Mutebi seems to have handled himself humbly and, probably strategically. His decision to cancel the Kayunga visit to save lives may endear him to the people – not just of Buganda but other parts of the country as well.

In fact the spontaneity of the events and the spectrum of rioters involved showed that Mutebi ceased to be a symbol of Buganda but rather became a rallying point for diverse grievances against the government. Should Buganda take this to another stage, there is no question where it would all end.

“If these riots were to be in three regions after disputed elections, the country would come to its knees and the international community would intervene. That would be very bad for Museveni; he can’t afford a repeat of this in 2011,” says Rwomushana.

Where will it end?

While many look at the latest events as an indicator of what could easily happen should the 2011 elections be rigged like courts of law found in the last two presidential elections only falling short of annulling the results, what should worry Ugandans immediately is the clampdown on the media and opposition, and the return of the military on the streets.

The former indicates the beginning of an era of repression hitherto unseen in the last 23 years of Museveni’s presidency while the latter signals a convergence of the past and present – the duka duka and panda gari phenomenon that presidential advisor John Nagenda graphically painted in his 1996 adverts discrediting then presidential candidate Paul Ssemogerere for having allied with UPC.

Last week, Masaka, Ndeeba and parts of Makindye witnessed the first panda gari, with hundreds being pulled out of their houses and thrown onto trucks for screening, just like it was in the 1980s.

“The government has chosen to handle this as a security problem but then the political problem will remain and could recur anytime in a worse way. The youth who were fighting on the streets have no stake in the status quo; they will be ready to do anything so they should not be provoked,” says Juuko.

As for the return of the military, Dr Makara advises the President to keep the army off the streets because in Africa, and especially Uganda, whenever the army has been used to intervene in politics it often turned against its master; it never returns to the barracks!

But whichever way it goes, there is no doubt that the 2011 elections will be held in a completely different atmosphere and could be a turning point for Uganda – for better or worse.

Comments (36)Add Comment
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written by Major Kikompola, September 23, 2009
m7 days are numbered , he presides over a failed regime , m7 can be brave as Nyerere and resign when all seems he can no longer handle things , hardly a day passes without m7 contradicting himself, his beliefs and policies .
The fact is the destiny of 30 million ugandans can't be sacrified by paranioa of a tired ,confused and demented dictator , where is the rest of NRM ? did m7 fight alone ? anyway it seems !
Lecturer
written by Jonathan Kalani, September 23, 2009
I want to thank Museveni for liberating this country from all sorts of problems in 1986 and I want to advise him that even the best dancer leaves the stage. 25 years in power are good enough. Let NRM front another candidate for the next elections and will surely win with a simple majority than bring back a candidate with no new ideas other than recycling the old ones. Those fronting the third term are those who think they can't survive without President Museveni. Put the nation above self and let us move ahead in peace not in pieces.
The kampala hollywood scene
written by op wilz , September 23, 2009
once again m7 has demonstrated what a mukopi is capable of doing if given political power & i totally agree with journalist serumaga that museveni had poor upbringing & poor educational background he has a mentality of a thug or a bandit as obote put it. long live mwenda long live the independent.
Kelyegire's Analysis
written by Imhotep, September 23, 2009
I would like to bring to the attention of all Baganda and their wellwishers to an article published by Kalyegira on www.ugandarecord.co.ug, under the title, "what can we do under the iron rule of Museveni". One will note that this man has been killing people for the last forty years or so, and that if he is not stopped now, Uganda is going to be a river of blood. This man has mental issues, but one wonders where he got the hatred he has towards Baganda!? Please read that article, it is quite revealing. Harrowing to say the least!

Hotep
Museveni DID NOT Defeat Obote
written by Balmoi Tido, September 23, 2009
Mr Bichachi, do not distort history. Museveni DID NOT defeat Obote II govt. - He defeated Tito Okello's govt. Obote II had defeated the NRA with Museveni fleeing to Sweden (though he later claimed otherwise). It was the Okello govt that Musevenit defeated. Also, the fight with Buganda in Obote I was not the reason that led to being overthrown by Amin (considering Amin was the one who stormed Kabaka's Palace). Obote I was actually overthrown by the Bristish & Israelis using Amin over "Socialist Policy". Check the facts.
Museveni DID NOT Defeat Obote (condt)
written by Balmoi Tido, September 23, 2009
In both Obote I & II, it was only Buganda which had problems and insecutrities while the rest of Uganda was peaceful -- unlike Museveni's govt which has had problems in the North, East, West etc. During Obote II, the insecurity was only in Luwero, because of this same Museveni the Baganda supported; and now they are crying.
Museveni DID NOT Defeat Obote (contd)
written by Balmoi Tido, September 23, 2009
In Obote I Govt, Buganda was the cause of the problem by attempting to order Uganda Govt out of Buganda and actually calling for abled Baganda into armed training, ordering guns and attacking government institutions like police stations, offices using it army. Obote had no choice and Bagada know it. I would like to see Buganda try the same with Museveni now and witness what his truest colour is. It will make 1966 look like kid-play, especially after seeing that the recent riots had no real organization and was not directly ordered by Mengo to challange Museven unlike 1966. Buganda ain't seen nothing yet with Museveni! People have to remember that Buganda has had problems with almost every adminstration since the late 1890's. It can't be that these troubles are cause by others and not Buganda.
tell them balmoi
written by okello a learned friend, September 23, 2009
The Baganda sh'd realise that every one has love for his culture and therefore not even a fellow mukoopi is gonna issue that special status the Banyankole may be calm but try that genocide u threaten if kabak won't be in luzira
Everyone loves his culture and home
written by Twakoowa, September 23, 2009
So let everyone go to his culture and home! Simple. Why impose yourself on people who are sick and tired of you, while you talk rubbish about how you love your culture and tribes and homes? Stupid people stupid Uganda!! Buganda must secede from this mad lot.
Queen of queens
written by Janet Mukwaaya, September 23, 2009
Now I am really wondering! Where is Dr Olara Otunnu in all this? I mean the Former Undersecretary of UN. We are looking up to him for leadership! His silence is defeaning!!!!!!!!!! He said he supports the federal cause for Buganda, why cant he say something? Whereever you are Dr Otunnu we need you to say something about the recent demonstration/uprising/revolt in K'la, ok? Unless you have given up on your political ambitions, you cant just hide and remain silent on a matter of national importance. P'se do not tell us you have been busy with international committments, for charity begins at home. Tens of your bretheren have died and others are in trouble but you dont seem to give a damn! C'mon! Did I hear you are a champion of children? what about the innoicent kids who died in the recent riots? Please reply ASAP!
Naduli: Museveni suffering from political diarrhea
written by Lakwena, September 24, 2009
There is a Luo proverb which says, "the one who denies you the white ants (enswa), which is a delicacy, saves you from diarrhea". It tallies with former Chairman Adul Naduli' response to the 10th Sept riot "Baganda put you in power (The Observer 24th Sept 2009). President Museveni has swallowed more than he can digest. The consequences? An acute political diarrhea, which uncontrollably spewed out on the streets of Kayunga, Kampala, Masaka and Mityana. One can steel hear the rumbling and discomfort on the face of Museveni.
ADMIN.
written by Asiimwe E. Happy, September 24, 2009
Ugandans, Ugandans, Ugandans! can't u find better things to do than engage in those useless, deadly riots? Don't you think your families need you alive? or do you think otherwise?
I pray that you people will come to your senses and leave everything to rest.

Please try to work for the betterment of your families and leave the matter to God, otherwise, what do you think you can do. At the end of the day you'll be the ones to die (the rioters) and life continues after. Think twice and work toward the building of your country rather than destroying it.

For God And Uganda!
Is Asiimwe eating and not thinking?
written by Lakwena, September 24, 2009
Only people who are eating and not concerned about the future of this country, tells others not to rock the boat, but sit back and be slaves . Mr Asiimwe, It is better to be a dissatisfied Socrates ( free thinker though hungry) than a satisfied pig.
So, we go home?
written by Watcher, September 24, 2009
Asiimwe, I think you should have asked the people of Luwero to stop fighting and go home because even then their families needed them. Since you guys are eating, I think you'd rather do it quietly. Do you know what rubbish you can utter when speaking with food in your mouth? Well, you just did that.
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written by Jude, September 24, 2009
It is unfortunate that there are still Baganda who think that they can win a battle against M7 and Uganda at the same time.The need for self rule by Baganda is really good considering how rotten Uganda is but they have to realise that they can only achieve this in a National conntext.Telling other tribes to leave Buganda is very counter productive and apart from causing a lot of suffering to Baganda will not get anywhere.Change tactics and you will have Federo or whatever else you need,try to tell other Ugandans how better off you are and you will not get anywhere.Don't you see even M7 is hanging on by the tail?
M7 does not care about Uganda and her people
written by Ggomba, September 24, 2009
Ugandans Unite and Get rid of this Blood thirst Murderers
written by Ggomba, September 24, 2009

For a president of a country to give orders to kill rioters like M7 did, shows that M7 has been doing this for along time. Uganda is supposed to be a nation of laws and at least M7 would have showed Ugandans that he cared about Uganda and its people by attending at least the funeral of the youngst victim. I appeal to fellow Ugandans of all stripes to unit e and get rid of this sucker come 2011. This man always talks about wars and killings, I wonder how he can sleep at night after all that blood that has been powered throughout his life. How can one man course so much distruction of human life?. Fellow Ugandans, we are all in this together and the boat is going down, either we remove the captain or we all go down. We all have one life to live.
sacrificial Lambs
written by chobs Mbogo, September 24, 2009
I as a Luwero survivor sacrificed entire family to support M7 in the bush, although i lost alot of my people i still thanked M7 for liberating uganda. But as of now...i feel the pain the way things are going not only in Buganda but also in the northern part. M7 should step down if he wants to keep a good name as i assure you even us who are living overseas will leave no stone unturned to make sure he leaves office!
Stop Confusing Buganda Demands with Uganda Needs: The Museveni Experiment is a Bust
written by Ocheto, September 24, 2009
Sure the Buganda problem is not yet solved, but Museveni has had a crack at it for the last 23 years, he's been found wanting, and the results are a more polarized, poor and mismanaged, and damaged country. The immediate problem (or solution) is to change the leadership. Museveni has been a total failure, whatever little successes he may have made in bringing the socalled sleep to Luweroians. The issue is the Museveni experiment has been a dismal failure. It is now clear Buganda problems together with Ugandas can be solved better, more honestly, easily and quickly without rather than with Museveni.
Mrs
written by kabayekka, September 25, 2009
Well then what hope is there for the State of Buganda. Buganda has given up its self-determination now 47 years, for the sake of a unitary state of Uganda. It has supproted all sorts of alliances with all sorts of other tribal states to move the country forward. This relationship has reached a point of demanding a federo relationship without any hope. The best option for the State of Buganda is to make its electoral strategy very clear as the 2011 general election approaches so that it does not start to blame every Tom, Dick and Harry for its ineptitude. If this opportunity pass by the best that the State of Buganda can do is to breakaway from an enforced unitary relationship with Uganda. The political battle is ongoing.
HE MUST GO
written by Mbogo, September 25, 2009
Mrs
written by kabayekka, September 26, 2009
This mother fu....... has failed to let his African country embrace universal democracy despite its wealth. He comes back to Uganda after failing to train Idi Amin as a Revolutionary Life President . He is at it again in his game of making stooges, trying his luck with this one.
Its a bigger problem than it appears.
written by KwataDeal.com, September 26, 2009
Its a bigger problem than we might all think. At the core of it all, the youth have no jobs. They are demanding a change in government and national policy hoping the new policies will serve them better. Its the youth that were most seen on the streets rioting. They will do it again and again. At every opportunity that comes their way. And this is for two main reasons. First: They feel they need a change in government and rioting presents them with an opportunity to show their anger. Secondly: They are jobless or poorly employed. So they can loot some goods during the riots.
KwataDeal may have a point
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, September 26, 2009
KwataDeal. com - a lot to learn from your comment. Because of politics it is easy to label them 'terrorists', thugs etc. There are some criminal elements of course, as there will be in all riots. But the issue that should not be ducked is what causes riots in the first place and why others people join in. Let's not forget that while the recent uprising was more widespread, it is only one in a series that has been taking place in Kampala over market traders fighting for their rights, Makerere and Kyambogo to say nothing of school strikes. But as usual things will be seen through the prism of terrorism.
WHO SAID IT ?
written by Jespa, September 27, 2009
Jude is telling the Baganda not to tell other tribes to leave Buganda . I dont know from where he gets that . Who said that Buganda is saying or suggesting so ? Maybe he is mistaking Bunyoro for Buganda .
Jespa, it is in Blogs here, in Riots on the street
written by Jude, September 27, 2009
Jespa I think you missed some of the scenes in Kampala during the riots. Those who were considered non- Baganda were undressed and beaten. I am not a Munyankole but if I were one and people are looking for people of my kind to beat or undress then I would be running. Also Jespa if you read the comments here and in other fora on line, there are actually Baganda talking about secession and other people going back to their homes.Yo should follow Twakoowas threads and see what I am talking ablout.
My point is Federo is good for Uganda but secession is bad for both Buganda and Uganda.
Your site looks holible
written by James, September 29, 2009
Hello Andrew, What happened to this site after the riots? it looks holible and no longer user friendly. Is it being run by Kiboko squard??
Listen Up Jude
written by Twakoowa, September 29, 2009
Yes, I believe that if people don't get along together, they must stay away from each other. If I saw two children fighting all the time, I would tell them to play apart. If I saw a married couple fighting all the time for years, I would advise them to separate before they kill each other. I am aware that none of you who lie that you believe in Uganda don't do so because you care for other peoples. You just are looking for to get one of yours in the top office so you can subdue others. You have to be hyper stupid not to have realised that a new one comes and kills people one at a time, then whole towns and villages are wiped out to oust him. Iam pro life, and I don't really see the reason people should die, suppossedly for living together. Why? Every tribe/nation lives on it's own anyway! People don't come together because of buildings and economies. cont....
Listen Up Jude
written by Twakoowa, September 29, 2009
Cont...
Patriotism is love for a nation, people caring for each other and whatever they stand for and holds them as a unit. In Uganda the tribes/nation have nothing in common. I mean right now, I don't even care to know where you come from. I just know you are not a Muganda and that's enough for me. I don't even know much about any other tribe/nation of Uganda. I think that's normal because even they who live in Buganda, might think otherwise, but they know next to nothing about the Baganda. It's all hopeless. We don't like each other. Uganda will NEVER WORK!! So don't just say Twakoowa wrote, say Iam wrong and proove it! It's the truth that will set us all free. You see, I do believe in God.
Twakoowa, we need to learn to live together
written by Jude, September 29, 2009
I would not want to make this into something personal but I think I need to reply.

You will agree with me Twakoowa that in History,people have always not liked each other.At one time it was Jews, then it was the black people,the Gypsies, and other' impure races'. Even in the most developed countries in the world there was segregation and hatred based on race,color or language.

What we have in Uganda is NOTHING COMPARED TO what went on in these countries and the results are well known to us all,Genocide, Apartheid, Holocaust.

At the end of the day, they had to LEARN TO LIVE TOGETHER, EVEN IF THEY NEVER LIKED EACH OTHER and to this day there still exist prejudices in these countries but they live together and are very powerful as well.
Twakoowa, so you mean Buganda can't exist ?
written by Jude, September 29, 2009
So Twakoowa if these people who are really far more different in race compared to us who are all Black HAVE HAD TO LEARN TO LIVE TOGETHER, where do you get the wisdom to say Uganda is not Viable. In fact I do not see much difference between a Muganda and Musoga for example. Both of you use almost the same words, if compared to say a Dutchman and a Zulu but then again, Twakoowa you will tell me the difference is in the size of their this organ or that organ-may be the nose.

At the end of the day it is better we just figure out how to coexist and history has shown that Xenophobia and all sorts of prejudice against people because of their color or race or tribe etc NEVER WINS,it crumbles at the end of the day.

If you actually believe that Buganda can not exist in Uganda then you will similarly be saying it can not exist in the world at all because you can't co-exist with other people in the world .Do you prefer that option?
nil
written by Rig Bobi, September 29, 2009
I think now we don't need dudes who are nastic to rule the country,and for sure
some one who is not from Uganda should leave the place,coz all didz are already
evidenced and mavonouted...routes are open.Even when Amin critised pastor
Obiri Obowa fail his mission.Obowa was from and started his miracle spreading
in Uganda yet he was from Ghana,and Amin asked for profecy from him in order to
whether he can lead Uganda for life,the pastor replied him that if u stop killing
p'ple u will rule for 20yrs,but again if u continue killing p'ple u will rule uganda for 7yrs,
from their u will neither live in your country nor be burried their.....hence results
u all saw them by justification.So Plz i advise the kabaka and M7 to seat down
and their them selves amycably other wise nuves are not in vanol.From U.S,GA.smilies/cry.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Facts Not Fiction
written by Twakoowa, September 29, 2009
Jude you will show more courage in basing your words on facts not fiction. Don't try to make up things for the sake of shocking some people, that I can't even imagine who. Uganda is an artificial creation of Colonialists as compared to a God made Buganda. These things have been said again and again. And tell you what? When people feel un understood they give up on the dialogue and concentrate on just doing their thing. You said you see no difference between a Muganda and a Musoga, well I do and I know there is. Without doubt. We are not looking abou looks, but the souls of these two are quite different. Every Ugandan tribe/nation has it's way of doing things, and their own beliefs and personality. If the rest of UGanda was asking Buganda to secede, I would have been the first to endorse. You see, I believe life is the greatest gift we get in this world. No one in this world has anything to offer worth buying or trading life for.
Facts Not Fiction
written by Twakoowa, September 29, 2009
About the Jews, when things didn't work out they made thier own independent nation where they live together with others but on their own terms. I wouldn't go as far as saying that because someone divorced once he can't remarry. That because this child can play peacefully with this one, he can't play with wnyone in the whole world. But even if that were so, I just do what is right by me, my faith, and the two children. Separate them and let each go find it's peace.
Facts Not Fiction
written by Twakoowa, September 29, 2009
Like Jesus said, if a part of you makes you to loose tour faith, sever it. It's better to live without your hand that to have both hands and end up in hell. Let everyone go and find their own faith and peace with their creator. And tell you what, you'll remember my words, that's how it's going to be. Uganda is going to break up, you'll have known that if you had tried to study the laws of the universe. No human or group of them defyies those laws. Uganda is not working and the Universe is in the proces of dismantling it. Of that, rest assured.
I rest may case Twakoowa
written by Jude, September 30, 2009
I rest my case Mr/Mrs Twakoowa. I do not think I can convince you that Uganda has the potential of becoming a powerful state in Africa and the world. I do understand your frustration with the current Uganda and like many people the urge to look for something better.Some have left the country, others want o secede but I still know I can make Uganda into a gem in the world. I pray that you WILL join hands with us not in helping those who have destroyed Uganda but in making it what I know it can become.
ALL PARTIES NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
written by Kazibwe michael, March 30, 2010
In my own opinion,neither is the Kabaka and the President is wrong.The only wrong people are those around them.I will also relate this to a family.A husband might fallout with the wife and some friends get to know about the misunderstandings.Instead of reconcilling the two parties,they just work hard to stretch the gap that has comeup.In the same sense,the kabaka and Mr.Museveni agreed on certain terms which they have to work upon themselves.We (especially Youth for example who have just raed about these peoples relationship should not widen the gap betwwen them).

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