The Banyankore have a saying: Ekibingire embwa nkuru aha koome ekibwana tikibwanabwanaho. The import of this tale is that when an old dog flees a fireplace the puppy should know it cannot be safe there either.
When President Milton Obote and the Buganda establishment fell out, resulting in the attack on the Lubiri in 1966, many people condemned and demonised him for forcing the Kabaka into exile.
I used to belong to that school of thought that demonised Obote. Not any more. After reading and hearing about the events that led to the 1966 Kabaka crisis, I am now in a better position to gauge culpability. I am under no illusion that those condemning Obote for the Kabaka crisis would behave more ruthlessly, if they were confronted by the same situation today, than he did in 1966.
Because of the increasingly icy relations between Obote and the Kabaka administration, the Buganda Lukiiko sitting at Mengo in May 1966 resolved that Obote should take his government away from the capital Kampala, which they said belongs to Buganda. Two, they asked Obote to establish the capital city outside Buganda. The Lukiiko called on all able-bodied Baganda for military training in preparation for resistance against the Obote government. Within one week of the Lukiiko resolutions there were attacks on some police stations by Baganda militants. The Kabaka had arms in Lubiri (his palace). This is confirmed by Kabaka Mutesa himself in his book The Desecration of My Kingdom where he tells of a fierce battle between the army and his royal guards at the Lubiri before he escaped. The first batch of policemen who had been sent to Lubiri to check whether there were guns as had been alleged, were mauled down by the royal guards. In such circumstances, what should Obote have done? Flee Kampala with his government as the Lukiiko had demanded? Which Head of State would in his normal state of mind succumb to such demands?
Obote deserted the “marriage” with Mengo because of the latter’s unrealistic demands. But Museveni and his NRM revived the marriage thinking they would be a better spouse. Now it appears the marriage is again on the rocks.
Like the Runyankore proverb, when an old dog has deserted a fireplace, the puppy should keep a safe distance. Museveni failed to learn from the Obote-Kabaka scenario. He instead used it to demonise Obote, hoping that would endear him to the Mengo establishment.
Just last year when Mengo had upped mass campaigns in Buganda against the Land Bill, which was seeking to turn squatters into land owners, the central government kidnapped three kingdom officials who were accused of perpetrating the Anti-Land Bill campaign and undermining the central government. They were freed a few days later after having been separately detained in secret places.
If the central government could be so enraged by a mere verbal campaign against a Bill, what would it have done if the Kabaka had had guns in his palace and the Lukiiko had ordered President Museveni to take his government or the capital out of Buganda? My intuition tells me that the reaction of the state would have been ten times worse than what happened in 1966.
Like in May 1966, just last week the Lukiiko at Mengo made similar resolutions this time against President Museveni’s government, accusing him of refusing to grant Buganda a federal system of governance. It’s this same demand that culminated in the confrontation between Mengo and Obote in 1966, which the latter has been condemned for. Is history about to repeat itself?
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written by a guest, July 24, 2009
written by a guest, July 24, 2009
The truth is 'A state can not exist with in astate.' It's like Buganda wants to seperate itself from Uganda! otherwise they should not be making endless demands, of which some are unfair. Like to say the Gov'nt should add them land from other parts of Uganda such as Busoga, Bunyoro ect before it can expand Kampala! Baganda should be careful otherwise they are too insultive to the Central Gov'nt
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written by Imhotep, July 24, 2009
written by Imhotep, July 24, 2009
Well we all know why Obote never survived to be life president, don't we!? Why do some people think that Museveni has the preserve to hold Buganda to ransom? Who brought him to power? I am quite happy that the marriage is on the rocks, as once they fall out with Buganda, they normally become history. This government has overseen the most corrupt society anywhere on earth! "The sooner it goes the better," as Mugabe puts it. Buganda is fed with these parasites who come in sheeps clothing, why don't you as author of this article suggest to Museveni to take his government to Rwakitura or Rwanda for that matter?
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written by ma-Matenga, July 24, 2009
written by ma-Matenga, July 24, 2009
My sincere and simplest 10-point advice to Buganda:
1. Take advantage of the 2011 election; vote M7 out regardless of his money and the election stealing trick [remember we told you this in 2001 and 2006].
2. Sit down now and go back to the drawing board and form a strong working team to sensitize your grass-roots population not to vote for M7 at all………
3. Get in touch with the rest of the country in agitating for federal system of governance of our Ugandan choice not a system imposed on us from the bush as the case with the NRM orgy and at worst, not a choice imposed to the rest of Uganda by Buganda.
4. Stop your demand for 'FEDERO' from M7 because he does not have it.
5. Do not simply ask for air from M7 and stop accepting petty cash from him because he uses this political trick for taking you for a ride
6. Drop this connotation 'Federo' if you want the rest of the country to join you in fighting for a system of self-governance so that the country removes suspicion about your motives for ‘federo’.
8. Give a very big no-confidence vote to all NRM supporters from Lc1 to the parliament.
9. Unite with the opposition regardless of their selfish interests and turn a political onslaught on NRM + M7.
10. Do not go violent by unlawful demonstrations because a wounded buffalo, armed to the teeth will spare no one for its survival.
Less this, the rest of the country will continue to look at your motives with suspicion because history can never be forgotten within a short time. Please, take a leaf and learn a lesson from the UPC/KY unholy marriage that sparked the 1966 crisis.
1. Take advantage of the 2011 election; vote M7 out regardless of his money and the election stealing trick [remember we told you this in 2001 and 2006].
2. Sit down now and go back to the drawing board and form a strong working team to sensitize your grass-roots population not to vote for M7 at all………
3. Get in touch with the rest of the country in agitating for federal system of governance of our Ugandan choice not a system imposed on us from the bush as the case with the NRM orgy and at worst, not a choice imposed to the rest of Uganda by Buganda.
4. Stop your demand for 'FEDERO' from M7 because he does not have it.
5. Do not simply ask for air from M7 and stop accepting petty cash from him because he uses this political trick for taking you for a ride
6. Drop this connotation 'Federo' if you want the rest of the country to join you in fighting for a system of self-governance so that the country removes suspicion about your motives for ‘federo’.
8. Give a very big no-confidence vote to all NRM supporters from Lc1 to the parliament.
9. Unite with the opposition regardless of their selfish interests and turn a political onslaught on NRM + M7.
10. Do not go violent by unlawful demonstrations because a wounded buffalo, armed to the teeth will spare no one for its survival.
Less this, the rest of the country will continue to look at your motives with suspicion because history can never be forgotten within a short time. Please, take a leaf and learn a lesson from the UPC/KY unholy marriage that sparked the 1966 crisis.
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written by Imhotep, July 24, 2009
written by Imhotep, July 24, 2009
Buganda as a kingdom has forever tried to use diplomacy to no avail, maybe it is high time it seceded, after all even Acholi wants to! Why should we go on our knees to ask for what belongs to us. To Mr/ Miss Anonymous, you are better off advising Museveni that when an elephant fights a wasp, we all know what the consequencies would be. Many of the people who think like you are non-Baganda who are jealous of what Buganda owns. These governments have been on our land for decades yet they never seem to own any property of theirs! All they think about is steal steal steal. The sooner they go the better! The indigenous peoples of the world are soon to rise up to demand their soil. Get over it.
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you to can have it!
written by Nicholas, July 24, 2009
written by Nicholas, July 24, 2009
would the writer of this aticle be proud to have the capital in his home land? what is keeping the central govenment in kampala and wanting to expand it more. I think pople aggitating for districts should ask for a capital city. what is in Buganda that people are craving for? every goverment property has been sold off in kampala. All those buildings and structures can be constructed somewhere else! especially those places with minerals, oil, gold , copper, cows etc. there is nothing in Buganda that cannot be somewhere else. As people wish to have districts the should ask for capital city. Then the Kabaka would be free from and accusations.
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I think the writer need to revise his history.. ST
written by Omulangira Yiga, July 24, 2009
written by Omulangira Yiga, July 24, 2009
How do you dare say what you said about Buganda?
You do not even know what happened just going by hearsay. Why don't you speak with Kabaka Muteesa Spirit. At least I have had a chance to speak with his spirit and record all what happened.
Obote's war stormed from him refusing to obey orders when asked to do his duties.
For that reason a resolution was made to arrest Obote for insurbodination. When the resolution was brought to the Kabaka to sign, he refused to sign if because of the friendship he personally had with Obote. Officers were ready to go arrest Obote who was then visiting his home.
When word went around and rumors reached Obote he got scared losing his post and so he ordered an attack to the Palace. Go check your history. I had enjoyed Observer but if you are turning into RED PEPPER then call yourself tabloids. Some of us are young men who still love our culture, history and heritage. Museveni fought the war in our land. Why didn't he start his war in Rwakitura? Among the historicals that died for him tell me how many were outside Buganda.
Now when people sacrifice their own lives for you, you better keep your promise. Tell your friend Museveni "I said and he knows who I am".
The spirits of those that helped him fight are not happy with him, they are not happy with some Baganda leaders and are not happy with where the Buganda Kingdom is going.
And for the information to the person that talked about State in a State, that's a form of governance we colonialists created after taking a glance at who was who at the time and those who is who are still there and that's Buganda. Show me any development elsewhere in the country that has not been brought about by corruption or because of Buganda's prosperity. Why? If you read history is high school, you damn well know that Buganda had developed along with their counterpart Bunyoro and Buganda helped Busoga all the time to stay afloat.
So stop bluffing and make your brain recall and think.
We have the money, we have connections, we have the power and we will show everyone that we can stand again and we will. Wait till we land in the country.
We fought as children in his war only to have Besigye turn around the memorandum that was supposed not to put Mueseveni in a dictatorial sit.
I am tired of government creating false rebels just to create fear so it can rule, making people poor so they can use the golden rule as a tool, planting medical practitioners in hospitals to inject people with HIV viruses and poisonous chemicals as a mean to eradicate people, betraying fellow african leaders by double playing (farra Aided and now Bashir) in a bid to win more money and royalty and I am tired of them blaming same people they oppress... And the list goes on.
Let the ruling dynasty know that we are quiet but not stupid. We do have everything needed and wait when the anger reaches to the back of our heads, you will hear, you will see, you will feel the roars of the Old Lion speaking from the grave.
Excuse my spelling, I am so upset.
You do not even know what happened just going by hearsay. Why don't you speak with Kabaka Muteesa Spirit. At least I have had a chance to speak with his spirit and record all what happened.
Obote's war stormed from him refusing to obey orders when asked to do his duties.
For that reason a resolution was made to arrest Obote for insurbodination. When the resolution was brought to the Kabaka to sign, he refused to sign if because of the friendship he personally had with Obote. Officers were ready to go arrest Obote who was then visiting his home.
When word went around and rumors reached Obote he got scared losing his post and so he ordered an attack to the Palace. Go check your history. I had enjoyed Observer but if you are turning into RED PEPPER then call yourself tabloids. Some of us are young men who still love our culture, history and heritage. Museveni fought the war in our land. Why didn't he start his war in Rwakitura? Among the historicals that died for him tell me how many were outside Buganda.
Now when people sacrifice their own lives for you, you better keep your promise. Tell your friend Museveni "I said and he knows who I am".
The spirits of those that helped him fight are not happy with him, they are not happy with some Baganda leaders and are not happy with where the Buganda Kingdom is going.
And for the information to the person that talked about State in a State, that's a form of governance we colonialists created after taking a glance at who was who at the time and those who is who are still there and that's Buganda. Show me any development elsewhere in the country that has not been brought about by corruption or because of Buganda's prosperity. Why? If you read history is high school, you damn well know that Buganda had developed along with their counterpart Bunyoro and Buganda helped Busoga all the time to stay afloat.
So stop bluffing and make your brain recall and think.
We have the money, we have connections, we have the power and we will show everyone that we can stand again and we will. Wait till we land in the country.
We fought as children in his war only to have Besigye turn around the memorandum that was supposed not to put Mueseveni in a dictatorial sit.
I am tired of government creating false rebels just to create fear so it can rule, making people poor so they can use the golden rule as a tool, planting medical practitioners in hospitals to inject people with HIV viruses and poisonous chemicals as a mean to eradicate people, betraying fellow african leaders by double playing (farra Aided and now Bashir) in a bid to win more money and royalty and I am tired of them blaming same people they oppress... And the list goes on.
Let the ruling dynasty know that we are quiet but not stupid. We do have everything needed and wait when the anger reaches to the back of our heads, you will hear, you will see, you will feel the roars of the Old Lion speaking from the grave.
Excuse my spelling, I am so upset.
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written by Concerned Ugandan, July 24, 2009
written by Concerned Ugandan, July 24, 2009
Remember Buganda is not Uganda. Secondly Federo is in the inerests of the few, and the last advise please stop insighting violence because there Buganda will lose completely, advise the Nation maturely and wisely.
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written by Concerned Ugandan, July 24, 2009
written by Concerned Ugandan, July 24, 2009
Respect your leader and the soveregnty of other Nations. In reality can the governmence of Uganda be in Rwanda! Reason maturely.
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MAN UP CORRECT:)
written by John Mayer, July 24, 2009
written by John Mayer, July 24, 2009
Blood of many Prominet Baganda paid the price for their lives. The war was not fought in Rwakitura why?
About someone that talked about state among a state, have you visited Swaziland? Are they being fought bay Government? NO. Now the whole issue comes when Besigye suggests to Museveni after the Bush was not to give up power for elections. Museveni goes bad at that moment over Besigye's advice. Reason we have a Dictator. And now: Medical Practitioner planted in hospitals to inject opposition with HiV virus and poisonous chemicals (a study Museveni learnt from Kremlin).
Creating rebels to di-stablize the nation and put everyone in fear, same way government thugs were created led by Drago and Kanaabi who were later ****ed by the same poison, making sure everyone is poor so he can step on all of them like Mugabe, betraying strong African leaders to win royalty to super powers who will in the end sacrifice him like Saddam. Some tactics work for rebellion not government. He should leave all those tactics behind.
About someone that talked about state among a state, have you visited Swaziland? Are they being fought bay Government? NO. Now the whole issue comes when Besigye suggests to Museveni after the Bush was not to give up power for elections. Museveni goes bad at that moment over Besigye's advice. Reason we have a Dictator. And now: Medical Practitioner planted in hospitals to inject opposition with HiV virus and poisonous chemicals (a study Museveni learnt from Kremlin).
Creating rebels to di-stablize the nation and put everyone in fear, same way government thugs were created led by Drago and Kanaabi who were later ****ed by the same poison, making sure everyone is poor so he can step on all of them like Mugabe, betraying strong African leaders to win royalty to super powers who will in the end sacrifice him like Saddam. Some tactics work for rebellion not government. He should leave all those tactics behind.
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who bewitched the baganda?
written by deo ntwali, July 24, 2009
written by deo ntwali, July 24, 2009
I have been reading a bout the buganda's demands of federo and have failed to figure out wht they want.even amongst baganda some would refuse it,why then bother,with your arrogance,mischief and all vices,ugandans will never support you to achieve that federo.mind you it is only vatican that is a state within astate.chech your books.and vatican has never been agressive to italy.so how on earth do youdemand the undemandable.tell your kabaka to go and hung!!!!!!
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written by Muzaana, July 24, 2009
written by Muzaana, July 24, 2009
I would like to respond to Deo Ntwali, let this be the last time you use the words "go hung" as an insult to my Kabaka. My Kabaka has never used an insult against anyone and he deserves the same respect. If you find your excitement hard to control, go find some desolate pasture land and yell yourself hoarse.
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Museveni True Colours
written by kaguklu ttebuchwereke, July 24, 2009
written by kaguklu ttebuchwereke, July 24, 2009
Museveni has showed his true colours, i don't like anybody from any were in uganda and abroad to decieve any one with normal sanity, that this government of lost sheep would have been were it is now in power without or without financing and reinforcement from Mengo government, Museveni know it very well without Buganda Government he(museveni) is nothing,is nobody , is like a tree without roots, when the storm blows he knows what follow after, there is no reason why museveni want to grab Buganda land using his dubious, useless consititution and foreign fake investors.
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written by Sam Mulokole, July 24, 2009
written by Sam Mulokole, July 24, 2009
If I were to be President of Uganda, I would build a ring road around lake Kyoga to envelop parts of Busoga, Buganda, Bunyoro, Teso, Apach, a bit of Arua etc (to be seen as non-tribal or a manipulator of the populace) and then I would construct a new Uganda capital called Kyoga City. In this multi-tribal and cultural City, "tribes" (we can actually celebrate this fact of God's own endowment) would build their part of the national Capital within their territories and "eat" from their own land assets. With the new Oil, Uranium and other vast mineral wealths' revenues I would construct new airports, electric railway systems, governement department skyscarappers within the "inner" or "outer" perimeters as they would be called, and then finally construct four-lane 'autobanns' from each perpendicular arc of the Great Kyoga circle to reach and connect each of the major tribal cities: i.e. Kampala, Jinja, Mbarara, Gulu, Mbale, Arua, Lira and make Kyoga the world's greatest destinations of the world. Imagine the beauty of the serenity of water skiing, surfing, the circle electric trains and multiple connections to any part of the great Uganda. We would all love our nation, our capital, and experience a new atmosphere of living enviable to others in the region.
Gone will be days of the Buganda dilema as all people would want to be part of the new Uganda. Buganda would be allowed to run its Kampala and the new operational State would be built at a choice site by the vibrant Kyoga City. Do we really think Dubai is more endowed with nature than Uganda? Just follow the construction of this desert patch. How about seven star hotels owned by Ugandans on various islands in the Kyoga? The beauty creatable is just beyond description. Must we tear eqach other instead of building one another?
Have we run out of Ugandans who can shift our thinking from fighting to development. I hope I have made us forget a little bit about the topic at hand.
Gone will be days of the Buganda dilema as all people would want to be part of the new Uganda. Buganda would be allowed to run its Kampala and the new operational State would be built at a choice site by the vibrant Kyoga City. Do we really think Dubai is more endowed with nature than Uganda? Just follow the construction of this desert patch. How about seven star hotels owned by Ugandans on various islands in the Kyoga? The beauty creatable is just beyond description. Must we tear eqach other instead of building one another?
Have we run out of Ugandans who can shift our thinking from fighting to development. I hope I have made us forget a little bit about the topic at hand.
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written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
This is typical Baganda talk, typical that like Mutebi, they deem to be above the law(s) that prevail over the rest of Ugandans. If indeed baganda brought M7 to power, then they have the means to get that power to themselves and should go ahead and try and do it. Just do not expect the rest of Uganda to stand by and let you trample on their constitution without blood-shed.
Buganda being a feudal kingdom has as much claim to Kampala as anyone who dares turn up to your house door with a gun to claim it for themselves. M7's govt is a legitimate democratically elected administration under a constitution drawn up by the (current) adult population. So there are no gray lines here, the people who drew up this constitution can NOT be deemed to be party to trying to overthrow the same constitution.
Buganda being a feudal kingdom has as much claim to Kampala as anyone who dares turn up to your house door with a gun to claim it for themselves. M7's govt is a legitimate democratically elected administration under a constitution drawn up by the (current) adult population. So there are no gray lines here, the people who drew up this constitution can NOT be deemed to be party to trying to overthrow the same constitution.
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written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
That is correct as far as Sir Freddie's account of events goes. I hope you can go on and tell us what he goes on to say about Kabaka Mutebi's reign. If you never had the chance to ask Sir Freddie's spirit about that, then this is your chance, and you will learn that the present machinations will only end in tears for Buganda however much you love it.
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save the kabaka
written by Buganda lover, July 24, 2009
written by Buganda lover, July 24, 2009
Museveni has kept quite about this situation this time. The question is, is he a fool? Pliz mengo watch your steps!
Mengo is just playing in the hands of the opposition.
Museveni can afford to loose the presidency and demolish the kabakaship and it will go for good. After such a situation, it would be the opposition to benefit and Mengo should know that the opposition if it can fall into things after the kavuyo, then the mistake would never be made again!
Surely what does mengo want? museveni has given them more than enough. Things were already gone!
Advice to mengo is to go slow and eat what is already in their hands and save our kabaka from being crashed by politicians.It is not possible in our ugandan situation to have a political king.
Mengo is just playing in the hands of the opposition.
Museveni can afford to loose the presidency and demolish the kabakaship and it will go for good. After such a situation, it would be the opposition to benefit and Mengo should know that the opposition if it can fall into things after the kavuyo, then the mistake would never be made again!
Surely what does mengo want? museveni has given them more than enough. Things were already gone!
Advice to mengo is to go slow and eat what is already in their hands and save our kabaka from being crashed by politicians.It is not possible in our ugandan situation to have a political king.
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written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
You are a typical ostrich (burying your head in the sand). Mutebi is a Mukopi of a Kabaka and though he veils his insults, he can not fool everyone everytime (and if he manages to fool you all the time, you only have yourself to blame!)
Kampala does NOT belong to Buganda, but to Uganda. If the Mengo establishment thinks otherwise, it should lobby parliamentarians to vote in their convoluted favour, and thats the best they can hope for.
The politics of economic sabotage is not only criminal but counter productive, and that on the back of a contitutional requirement not participate in politics ... thats what I call opening a can of worms.
Kampala does NOT belong to Buganda, but to Uganda. If the Mengo establishment thinks otherwise, it should lobby parliamentarians to vote in their convoluted favour, and thats the best they can hope for.
The politics of economic sabotage is not only criminal but counter productive, and that on the back of a contitutional requirement not participate in politics ... thats what I call opening a can of worms.
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written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
written by Emperror, July 24, 2009
Bwahahaha! Now there is a good plan to keep M7 occupied for another 20 years! (oops, but the Baganda would be the first to shout "Twaakowa, Agende!", and the Great Kyoga city will not materialize)
Good though though ..........
Good though though ..........
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WHAT IS BUGANDA'S FAULT
written by gregory mugisha, July 24, 2009
written by gregory mugisha, July 24, 2009
Half the people who indulge in insulting Buganda and Baganda, such as your Anonymous writer above, are all too happy to own Land in Buganda, when the opposite is impossible. Why do you insult the only people who are hosting everybody else when back home, you are fighting for Counties? Indeed, Buganda was a Nation and their deserves its Federal Status lest it be left with nothing when people sell Schools, Airports, e.t.c. by "private treaty".
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written by gregory mugisha, July 24, 2009
written by gregory mugisha, July 24, 2009
Now they talk of a Constitution for which a bribe of Shs.5.0Mllion can change it! The Constitution is only sanct when those "eating" and grabbing land find it so. When the foundational concepts such as Term Limits were being defiled, then it was not so sanct. Under the Constitution some people can steal millions of Dollrs and send their Children abroad to buy Mansions when Mulago is stinking. yes, it is a pick-and-choose constitution which is relied on when it suits and is trampled when the eating is threatened. Anyway, even Obote wrote a Pigeon Hole Constitution and was buried with it. WE shall wait and see!
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written by Andrew, July 24, 2009
written by Andrew, July 24, 2009
Why do baganda always ask the question : who brought him to power? It would seem to me that if you had all that might and capacity to put Museveni in power, then you would have been better off putting your king on the throne directly. Blame yourself for it. If you knew your king was not intelligent enough to be put in power, you think he has magically attained the talent now? Stop all this bull: we did this, we have that, we're rich, etc.
Kampala now belongs to all of us. If you want to practice your backwardness go to get some place and settle there. Nobody will follow you there. We stay here in Kampala.
Kampala now belongs to all of us. If you want to practice your backwardness go to get some place and settle there. Nobody will follow you there. We stay here in Kampala.
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written by Paulo0, July 24, 2009
written by Paulo0, July 24, 2009
What authority do you have to tell someone that "let this be the last time....." That is how your kabaka treats you and you shut up, but the rest of us know better.
If only he were just A LITTLE smarter, he would know the realities of the times. What he is doing just shows he is dense. Let him go hang.
If only he were just A LITTLE smarter, he would know the realities of the times. What he is doing just shows he is dense. Let him go hang.
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written by Emperror, July 25, 2009
written by Emperror, July 25, 2009
Nothing criminal (nor illegal) about changing a constitution, so long as you follow and abide by the prescribed processes to amend the said constitution.
The current constitution was written by Ugandans and can never be refered to as a pigeon-hole constitution. As for Ugandans being burried with it, well yes, they will (including yourself!). The 1995 constitution can never be abrogated or repealed by ANYONE. That is something worth your waiting to see.
The current constitution was written by Ugandans and can never be refered to as a pigeon-hole constitution. As for Ugandans being burried with it, well yes, they will (including yourself!). The 1995 constitution can never be abrogated or repealed by ANYONE. That is something worth your waiting to see.
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M7 vs Buganda
written by Keneth, July 25, 2009
written by Keneth, July 25, 2009
At the end of the day if the capital is in Buganda its only natural that the Baganda have a bigger stake in it. From private property to public (Bulange etc) . And Baganda are no pushovers as history has it they always had the last lough, from the Nubians in Bombo and our Brothers being 'sold' in estates all were once 'powerful', now comes m7 . History will judge him so hashly if he ever takes on the kabaka. Because he is never a person but that ever lasting institution.
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written by Emperror, July 25, 2009
written by Emperror, July 25, 2009
Mutebi is not only dense, he is immensly insecure and treacherous and can not tell his allies from his foes. He has reneged on the one significant treaty that ENSURED his ascent to the throne in his quest for "reigning in peace" to quote his own words.
Just as well that the stars have his reign as a failed one.
Just as well that the stars have his reign as a failed one.
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written by Nnggu Eruma, July 25, 2009
written by Nnggu Eruma, July 25, 2009
If the Jews or Israel managed to get back, the Tutsi of Rwanda also managed to get back after decades. Then there will be a right time for Jews of Buganda to get what they demand. Who will carry a house to Rakitura, Mbarara, Bushenyi, Kabale. If that programme of shifting or relocating the houses starts, I will buy a trailer for that purpose and get into the trade. Houses will be transfered but Buganda will remain. Nnuggu ****s-Nnuggu Eruma
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written by Kasobeza, July 25, 2009
written by Kasobeza, July 25, 2009
Dear buganda lover!!
I do appreciate your comments leave alone the others who are spreading hate and increasing enemity.. breeding tribalism.
Lets go slowly here!!
1) Most of the people at Mengo are hypo... they are in mengo demanding for federo, but at the same time having their back pockets at state house nakasero. most of them are on the state payrole. and if they are not on nakasero pay role then are on the opposition fighting their wars of which they want to involve you.
These are the people that are going to bring buganda down.
Even M7 has also said it broadly, that 15secs after a LUKIKO meetn in mengo he already knows what has been discussed.
ABAGANDA TUKOMYE ENKWE!!
My advise to you kabaka, please reshuffle your cabinet and elect a young generation.
I do appreciate your comments leave alone the others who are spreading hate and increasing enemity.. breeding tribalism.
Lets go slowly here!!
1) Most of the people at Mengo are hypo... they are in mengo demanding for federo, but at the same time having their back pockets at state house nakasero. most of them are on the state payrole. and if they are not on nakasero pay role then are on the opposition fighting their wars of which they want to involve you.
These are the people that are going to bring buganda down.
Even M7 has also said it broadly, that 15secs after a LUKIKO meetn in mengo he already knows what has been discussed.
ABAGANDA TUKOMYE ENKWE!!
My advise to you kabaka, please reshuffle your cabinet and elect a young generation.
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written by a guest, July 25, 2009
written by a guest, July 25, 2009
Mr. Emperror, what is going on will not end up in tears for Baganda alone. I also request you to go slow on the kind of talk that may stoke balls of fire. You may not have any property to lose in the event of a civil war but what about your life or that of your beloved ones? Do we really like to go the Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo way? This question also goes for Mr. Patrick Matsiko wa Mucoori. Mr. Masiko you write that "It’s this same demand (for federal) that culminated in the confrontation between Mengo and Obote in 1966, which the latter has been condemned for". Just to remind you, Uganda was a federal state then. Is this a question of age or ignorance?
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written by Rtd Gen PGB Regiment kiruhura , July 25, 2009
written by Rtd Gen PGB Regiment kiruhura , July 25, 2009
The Baganda are just wasting there time infact they are lucky to get Lubiri back I wish I was the president, myself I am a landlord so if the Baganda start there nonsense I feel like voting, I can now know why the Kabaka call them Bakopi indeed you are real Bakopi and backward, why did they accept money from M7? go deep down there start dig cassava or else shout up Kampala in for Ugandans, the gov shouldn’t even waste time on these fools as Dr Obote said a good Muganda is a dead one I ll stand on his grave and support him on that only, the Baganda should join the kalamajongo people, its Baganda who loves money like a hell they sold there land to us now they are complaining go and hang…Baganda ,,..YANK!!! :evil:
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written by Emperror, July 25, 2009
written by Emperror, July 25, 2009
Have some relevance and context when replying to a comment. I agree with Yiga on his comments and add on to it. On the other hand, you add nothing to either mine or Yiga's comment but rather accuse me of stoking fires. If the truth as I know it stokes fires, then so be it. Loosing my life in the resulting shenanigans will only leave my blood on the hands of people like you who refuse to listen when you are told the truth, in the name of ignarance.
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written by omuganda, July 25, 2009
written by omuganda, July 25, 2009
Ugandan boarder were a creation of Britons and we are happy to feel independent when we are under the creations of whites against our will . so why dont we dismantle uganda the land of miserly to every one and we redraft our coexistence on mutual understanding and respect. if buganda wants Federal so let it be, if banyankole want to be under central govt its their wish , etc but we cant live in a mess for ever. where ple come pretending to be nationalist and enrich them selves on the mercy of masses
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written by omuganda, July 25, 2009
written by omuganda, July 25, 2009
why insult the innocent? pse we baganda we harm no one what we demand is for us so that we can enjoy and feel free in our mother land now the nyarwandas and their cousins are busy evicting every muganda . was it like that bfr m7 ****ed his to way to power? pse reserve some respect to our king and baganda
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written by Ben KK, July 25, 2009
written by Ben KK, July 25, 2009
The Baganda's demand to relocate the capital is extremely unrealistic. The constitution clearly specifies Kampala as the capital city and goes on to say it has to be administered by the central gov't. Therefore let them use MPs to change that not Mengo Lukiiko 'shouting' relocate capital city. Let them follow procedure like Museveni does or any other person. Nobody is above the constitution(LAW).
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written by Makanga, July 25, 2009
written by Makanga, July 25, 2009
I dont agree with the notion that Obote was bad to buganda from the onset.I would like to ask any muganda to tell me what made Obote and Mutesa fall out after such a great realtionship???
The issue bagan after independence when there was a motion to return the lost counties of bunyoro back to bunyoro but through referendum which Obote saw a transparent way of doing things given that even the british who had given the counties to buganda put in a place a referendum should there be a wih to handle the lost counties.
The people in the counties voted to return to Bunyoro and this angered the kabaka.One thing led to the other till Obote had no choice but to act.
Baganda should just shut up.
The issue bagan after independence when there was a motion to return the lost counties of bunyoro back to bunyoro but through referendum which Obote saw a transparent way of doing things given that even the british who had given the counties to buganda put in a place a referendum should there be a wih to handle the lost counties.
The people in the counties voted to return to Bunyoro and this angered the kabaka.One thing led to the other till Obote had no choice but to act.
Baganda should just shut up.
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written by Makanga, July 25, 2009
written by Makanga, July 25, 2009
If i were Museveni,i would not give new districts but relocate thecapital city to another part of the country.
All you see in kampala is not buganda's.people have worked to develop in kamapala where many work.
Government should trully decentralise and move most jobs to other districts,attract investments to other districts and heavily dis-invest from kampala.i really dont see this buganda arrogance taking them any where.if they removed Obote from power because he was bad,why did they not put a muganda as president so as to handle their federo demands?? you insteda put a munyarwanda who has turned out to whip your butts.
All you see in kampala is not buganda's.people have worked to develop in kamapala where many work.
Government should trully decentralise and move most jobs to other districts,attract investments to other districts and heavily dis-invest from kampala.i really dont see this buganda arrogance taking them any where.if they removed Obote from power because he was bad,why did they not put a muganda as president so as to handle their federo demands?? you insteda put a munyarwanda who has turned out to whip your butts.
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written by Makanga, July 25, 2009
written by Makanga, July 25, 2009
But baganda last had a real muganda king by blood in Mutesa.
Why are they wasting time with this mutebi the son of daudi ochieng,an acholi.
I have spoken to relative of the last ochiiwng who confimed the rumour.i saw pictures of the late and mutebi really resembles his late father ochieng from the feet,the wide forehead,the kiwalata.
Guys just put mutebi's uncle Dr.Martine Aliker and the so called Kabaka Mutebi together.compare them and tell me if am lying.they resemble so much so that you may be mistaken they are brothers.
Why are they wasting time with this mutebi the son of daudi ochieng,an acholi.
I have spoken to relative of the last ochiiwng who confimed the rumour.i saw pictures of the late and mutebi really resembles his late father ochieng from the feet,the wide forehead,the kiwalata.
Guys just put mutebi's uncle Dr.Martine Aliker and the so called Kabaka Mutebi together.compare them and tell me if am lying.they resemble so much so that you may be mistaken they are brothers.
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written by Mtibezinda, July 25, 2009
written by Mtibezinda, July 25, 2009
THIS TALK TALK TALK IS NOT TAKING ANYONE ANY WHERE. THIS MENGO RUBISH SHOULD BE DELT WITH ONCE AND FOR ALL. THIS TIME IT SHOULD BE A TATAL CLEAN UP, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY FRAGMENT LEFT TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THIS MENGO RUBISH AGAIN. THE FRENCH DID IT ONCE AND THEY NO LONGA LIVE WITH THIS TYPE OF CRAP YREAR ON END. FROM 1966 UP TO NOW WE ARE STILL ON THE SAME TOPIC. ARE WE ALSO MENTAL LIKE THE MENGO LIKE THESE MENGO STOODGES? IF ANYTHING, THE DEVELOPEMENT OF THE CITY IN BUGANDA HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL TO BUGANDA AND MORE THAN ANY PART OF THIS COUNTRY FROM THE BIGINING AND EXPANTION OF IT WILL DO THE SAME, BUT THERE IS NO BRAIN THERE TO REALISE THIS. IS AND ANYONE GOING TO CARRY THIS LAND AND TAKE IT ANY WHERE? THIS IS BULL!!!
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When they were
written by Imhotep, July 25, 2009
written by Imhotep, July 25, 2009
It is clear that many of the commentators above are from acertain part of the country. But let me remind you that even the guys from the North were vehemently opposed to Buganda interests. They even came up with the saying," A good Muganda is only a dead one." I do not remember where they are now. To whom much is given much is expected. When they are in power, they think they are invincible! Remember Saddam!? You can come out with all the hate, but what is happening is, you are exposing your nakedness. The masses will not have mercy on you, i can assure you. As Africans, we are better off having dialogue and not haranguing one another. Buganda wants federal because it has been tried and tested to be one of the most effective forms of governance. Ask the Americans, the British, Germans, et al. Please let us educate and not preach hate.
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written by peace lover, July 25, 2009
written by peace lover, July 25, 2009
Dear imhotep,
Dont mind about where people come from but about what they are saying. Its clear that the kingdom is going but you have refused to see it.
The northerners you talk about can still go to Akokoro and stand on obote's grave to say no to federo! we cant stand by you in this.
You talk of tested federal, yes it was tested in uganda and failed!
But for you, the examples are foreign eg Us, Germany etc but the question is, is it the type of federal that you want you guys?
My brothers and sisters, let us work 2gether as a nation, no one can benefit from kavuyo. Keep the kabaka away from politics and every ugandan will respect him.
Thanks
Dont mind about where people come from but about what they are saying. Its clear that the kingdom is going but you have refused to see it.
The northerners you talk about can still go to Akokoro and stand on obote's grave to say no to federo! we cant stand by you in this.
You talk of tested federal, yes it was tested in uganda and failed!
But for you, the examples are foreign eg Us, Germany etc but the question is, is it the type of federal that you want you guys?
My brothers and sisters, let us work 2gether as a nation, no one can benefit from kavuyo. Keep the kabaka away from politics and every ugandan will respect him.
Thanks
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written by Imhotep, July 25, 2009
written by Imhotep, July 25, 2009
It's said that there'll be no fish in the seas in the next 50 years, fresh water'll become a thing for nations to fight tooth and nail for, plus much else on the list. When you are in Uganda, your peripheral vision is so minimal, one cannot see these things. Instead of organising ourselves to survive as a race, the likes of Emperror are busy spreading hate and loathe allover. Your efforts would be better put at raising a voice over the famine issue in Teso for example. The Baganda are trying to get themselves plus everybody else out of the abyss, but we are so busy discouraging them, stiffling self-realisation, development, etc. Museveni has been in power for donkey years, but where are the good roads, hospitals,schools? All the things that we would cherish as Ugandans. Instead the man is burning our schools, sacrificing our children, letting charlatan pastors defile our young men, et al. Mobutu was in power for 33, Saddam 35, Museveni....
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WE ARE DEMANDING WHAT BELONGS 2BUGANDA
written by kabanda Eddie, July 25, 2009
written by kabanda Eddie, July 25, 2009
I just want 2 let fellow country men know that buganda and its generation are not demanding what belongs to either Bunyore,Busoga,Ankole,Rwanda as its now known in our constitution,but as per the constitution of 1962,the colonial masters,allocated adocumented area to only Buganda.So i kindly call upon fellow ugandans not 2 blame baganda neither Buganda or our Mengo 4 demanding what its belong to them.If some one comes and takes away yoyr Legal married woman / Wife,does she ceases 2B ya wife??????We need federalism in entire uganda not only Buganda
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Restrain Yourselves
written by joe, July 25, 2009
written by joe, July 25, 2009
To start with , i am a Muganda . That notwithstanding , i don't see reason for all the hullabaloo . Tempers are flaring and there seems to be genocidal tendencies on both sides of the debate. My advice to Mengo is bide your time , calm down. The land in question is going nowhere. Over 20 yrs we yearned for a king , now we have one .
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written by joe, July 25, 2009
written by joe, July 25, 2009
Mengo should find ways of empowering those in Buganda not just tribesmen but all . You don't need to govern territory to do so , neither does the Aga Khan . It's a fight for resources, that's all.
By the way those calling for the death of one tribe against another stand warned. War claims from both sides , we all lose.
By the way those calling for the death of one tribe against another stand warned. War claims from both sides , we all lose.
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written by joe, July 25, 2009
written by joe, July 25, 2009
This one goes out for the journalists and people able to influence others through positions of responsibilty. You are entitled to your opinions but PLEASE avoid inflammatory contributions.They serve to divide rather than bring people together . Remember too that we have intermarried as a nation and therefore find in each other things that bind rather than divide us.
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written by Sebbale, July 25, 2009
written by Sebbale, July 25, 2009
Anyone below the age of 35 who supports these royal issues must be insane.
Surely,for someone to attain power just because of the lottery of birth makes me sick.
Let everybody get off his or her backside and go and make a living for himself.
If Mutebi, Oyo ,Kyabazinga and the Barigye;s of this world are obsessed with power,let them go and get elected.END OF.
And yes iam a Muganda.
Surely,for someone to attain power just because of the lottery of birth makes me sick.
Let everybody get off his or her backside and go and make a living for himself.
If Mutebi, Oyo ,Kyabazinga and the Barigye;s of this world are obsessed with power,let them go and get elected.END OF.
And yes iam a Muganda.
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written by a guest, July 26, 2009
written by a guest, July 26, 2009
Mr. Emperror, I am not a ****er and I will never be. You may be surprised to know that Iam notr picking a fight with you because it is not in anyones interest. I just wish you well. Really.
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written by a guest, July 26, 2009
written by a guest, July 26, 2009
Oh by the way I am not ignorant either. I am a University graduate from a reputable international University. I also have a prestigious job and I am pretty loaded. Take care.
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written by a guest, July 26, 2009
written by a guest, July 26, 2009
Ret. General, why now do you attack the Karimojong people. Please look up the word xenophobia. You cannot call a whole people group "fools". If you strip in your room without the pips, do you realize that you are very vulnerable and unsure of who you may really be? You wish others dead but remember you are mortal and the body you are proud of will soon be dust!
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written by a guest, July 26, 2009
written by a guest, July 26, 2009
By "clean up" do you mean genocide, Mr. Ntibenzinda? Just curious.
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written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
So much sentiment expressed on the issue. I make only 2 small observations. First, Matsiko wa Mucholi should revisit events leading to 1966. The Lukiiko's resolution (some say only one member made the proposal) came after Obote suspended the 1962 Constitution and deposed the Kabaka from being President. Second point is that Obote, like many republican/military Presidents we have had castigated political legitimacy based on heredity/birth. But then they also wanted to rule like kings i.e. until death or until overthrown by force; and they did not entirely abandon dynastic tendencies but sought to create new ones. Those are the contradictions under which we labour.
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Concerned Ugandan
written by Miggade, July 26, 2009
written by Miggade, July 26, 2009
Whether Buganda votes Museveni out of power,come 2011,elections is really a none issue.The issue is..Does Uganda belong to Buganda or it is the other way round?Secondary,if one goes to buy a cheap item, the end results are very costly.Amin played his cards with these people wisely.M7 tried to use them, thinking they were very gullible.Obote had cleanst the Country of these retrogressive,tribalists, but because of seeking for cheap popularity, M7 must and the country be prepared to pay high price...M7 must either do what Obote did in 1966, or face a political debacle that will be catasrophic for the whole Nation.Cheap items/ come easy/ goe easy. M.
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we can have peace with a new president
written by kasujja joseph, July 26, 2009
written by kasujja joseph, July 26, 2009
The whole debate is around one who came as a president making him self a king .
Ugandans ,Should recognise the pain and losses Buganda went through ,while supporting the war .
Not any other part of the country that suffered like Central .
On top of that in the whole history of this country no other region has hosted other Tribes and races like Buganda .We should not always forget this soon and we should Mind about the comments we make always .
Let every look at the history of this country and then comment .
When ever one takes long in power
he runs short of new ideas the ten
point programme is out dated thing now .we should even be ashamed of talking about 23 yrs every independence and January 26th becouse the Heroes have already paid them selves their size and Riches can tell .
A concerned citizen
Ugandans ,Should recognise the pain and losses Buganda went through ,while supporting the war .
Not any other part of the country that suffered like Central .
On top of that in the whole history of this country no other region has hosted other Tribes and races like Buganda .We should not always forget this soon and we should Mind about the comments we make always .
Let every look at the history of this country and then comment .
When ever one takes long in power
he runs short of new ideas the ten
point programme is out dated thing now .we should even be ashamed of talking about 23 yrs every independence and January 26th becouse the Heroes have already paid them selves their size and Riches can tell .
A concerned citizen
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written by Emperror, July 26, 2009
written by Emperror, July 26, 2009
Bayaaye have a saying "Omusajja bwakusinza ekinege togiyita mpanama". I thought that saying would strike a chord with you. Whyever you choose very opportunity to smear my tag under your different guises defeats any simple mind, not this mind though.
The pseudo-standoff btn govt and Mengo is mainly due to the opportunistic likes of yourself (in the mould of Paulo Muwanga and UPC). If you are so keen to spread your twaddle (and you have good reason to be apprehensive of me), go ahead, but keep my tag out of your piffle.
The pseudo-standoff btn govt and Mengo is mainly due to the opportunistic likes of yourself (in the mould of Paulo Muwanga and UPC). If you are so keen to spread your twaddle (and you have good reason to be apprehensive of me), go ahead, but keep my tag out of your piffle.
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written by Emperror, July 26, 2009
written by Emperror, July 26, 2009
It is fascinating that the Reverend does not make reference to the lack of democratic credentials inherent in monarchial leadership as opposed to the republican model.
Should any leader under the republican model then seek to adopt "dynastic tendencies" within the framework of the prevailing legal system, and most importantly through democratic means, the contradiction(s) in political legitimacy that the Reverend refers to become moot points.
Should any leader under the republican model then seek to adopt "dynastic tendencies" within the framework of the prevailing legal system, and most importantly through democratic means, the contradiction(s) in political legitimacy that the Reverend refers to become moot points.
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written by makanga, July 26, 2009
written by makanga, July 26, 2009
Dear All
Lets look at uganda as a country for all and stop this selfishness of the baganda.It amuses when one compares federo of bugabda to that of the US,Germany etc.i have never heard of anybody in those countrues talk of benefiting as one tribe against the others as is the case with buganda.the federation in those developed countries is based on national interest rather than tribal.Baganda are wasting time demanding federofo buganda which will never come till kingdom come.
Lets look at uganda as a country for all and stop this selfishness of the baganda.It amuses when one compares federo of bugabda to that of the US,Germany etc.i have never heard of anybody in those countrues talk of benefiting as one tribe against the others as is the case with buganda.the federation in those developed countries is based on national interest rather than tribal.Baganda are wasting time demanding federofo buganda which will never come till kingdom come.
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written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
'Emperror' says it is fascinating that I do not make ref to the lack of democratic credentials inherent in monarchy. I am not unaware. However, there are different models of monarchy; some co-exist with pluralism/multiparty and in some cases they are less arbitrary and more stable than republican dictatorships or those polities that only have the appearance of democracy or republicanism.
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written by makanga, July 26, 2009
written by makanga, July 26, 2009
The dear reverand is giving us half baked stories.
Why is it that its only buganda that came to loggerheads with obote after suspending the 1962 constitution and not the whole uganda??
Thats a missive reverand and you know it.Buganda's problem started when the lost counties were returned to bunyoro.kabaka was a ceremonial president and obote had executive powers.this was arrangement from independence.
Buganda's had a similar problem with the british in the early 50s that led to mutesa being exiled in Britain till his return in the mid 50's after the birth of the current mutebi whose mother had been left in uganda...
Museveni was a bad choice for buganda's support from the onset and its only now that baganda are realising the wolf amidst them.
Baganda should tread carefully as museveni is more of ****er than Obote.Am told he privately regrets having restored kingdoms!!!!
Why is it that its only buganda that came to loggerheads with obote after suspending the 1962 constitution and not the whole uganda??
Thats a missive reverand and you know it.Buganda's problem started when the lost counties were returned to bunyoro.kabaka was a ceremonial president and obote had executive powers.this was arrangement from independence.
Buganda's had a similar problem with the british in the early 50s that led to mutesa being exiled in Britain till his return in the mid 50's after the birth of the current mutebi whose mother had been left in uganda...
Museveni was a bad choice for buganda's support from the onset and its only now that baganda are realising the wolf amidst them.
Baganda should tread carefully as museveni is more of ****er than Obote.Am told he privately regrets having restored kingdoms!!!!
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Issues were complex, not black and white
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
Actually Makanga - there are lessons to learn from the past and there were mistakes in the past. In my opinion it was a mistake for the Kabaka to have a political party (KY) and for the party to enter into a coalition with Obote's UPC in order to defeat DP. For what would happen if later UPC/KY were defeated in an election? But once this arrangement was entered the Constitution should have been adhered to. We need to view issues in their complexity instead of just being partisan or simplistic.
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written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 26, 2009
Besides Makanga has answered his own question. If Obote had a problem only with Buganda, why then did he abolish the kingdoms of Ankole, Bunyoro and Toro?
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written by MTIBEZINDA, July 26, 2009
written by MTIBEZINDA, July 26, 2009
PAINFUL AS IT MAY BE, BUT SERIOUS STEPS HAS TO BE TKEN TO HONOR AVERY UGANDAN THROUGHOUT THIS NATION WHOS ANCESTORS PAID DEARLY TO FORM THIS REPUBLIC AND THE GOVERNMENT OF NATIONAL UNITY. THAT INCLUDES ALL BAGANDA THAT DO NOT FOLLOW THESE MENGO STOODGES WHOSE BRAIN SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN FROZEN IN THE ICE AGE THEN ABRUPTLY DEFROSTED BY MUTEBI'S RETURN, WHOM WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT UNITY THE ONLY MEAN UNITY BETWEEN BAGANDA. BENEDIKTO KIWANUKA WON THE ELECTION WTH A CLEAR MOJORITY, AND WHAT DID MUTESA DO? HE SIDED WITH OBOTE TO DEFEAT KIWANUKA BECAUSE HE WASNT A MENGO FOLLOWER. SUCH EXAMPLE ARE ENDLESS. BUT THE POINT IS; THE BRITISH GOVERNOR SIR CHOEN, OBOTE, AND AMIN. THESE PEOPLE HAD OTHER WEEKNESSES, BUT GETTING RID OF THIS ROTS IN MENGO WAS ONE OF THE WISEST STEP THEY TOOK. REVERSING IT IS ONE OF THE BIGEST MISTAKE THAT NOW NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED COMPREHENCIVELY. ITS COSIQENCES WILL HAVE TO BE THE PRICE THAT HAS TO BE PAID FOR SUCH A MISTAKE, WHICH THE PREVIOUS LEADERS CLEARLY DEMONSTATED TO US TIME AND AGAIN THAT IT WAS BAD FOR THIS COUNTRY.
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written by Joe Powell, July 26, 2009
written by Joe Powell, July 26, 2009
Rev - any interest in writing a response to the article for Uganda Talks? Would love to hear your thoughts in full. Please e-mail me if so -
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written by Laula Neramoi, July 26, 2009
written by Laula Neramoi, July 26, 2009
I don´t understand why a poor country like Uganda should have kings here and there.Mengo wants to get back its glory.Imagine if they were to succeed then there would be many homeless Bugandans.Just of recent the drove of squatters from thier land.Without offering any alternativ land.In a federal Buganda there will be overclass and underclass.Be assured.
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written by a guest, July 27, 2009
written by a guest, July 27, 2009
Ms. Laula Neramoi,
I guess you are a Kenyan judging from your name. Historically Kenya had decentralized political units with several littered chiefs Buganda and other ugandan kingdoms had cetralized systems of governance with paramount mornachs or chiefs. So kingdoms are a Ugandan thing Ms. Neramoi-you cannot understand it!
I guess you are a Kenyan judging from your name. Historically Kenya had decentralized political units with several littered chiefs Buganda and other ugandan kingdoms had cetralized systems of governance with paramount mornachs or chiefs. So kingdoms are a Ugandan thing Ms. Neramoi-you cannot understand it!
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written by Ggomba, July 27, 2009
written by Ggomba, July 27, 2009
Miggade, you must be an idiot sorry to say so. How can you say that Baganda are tribalistics? Buganda has never chased anyone from buganda infact we baganda welcome almost everyone. Buganda supported UPC against a Muganda Ben Kiwanuka and voted for Obote. When Amin came to power, Baganda are the only ones that welcomed him, M7, the same, which planet earth do you live on to call us tribalistics? How many people from the west intermarry with other tribes? It seems you really don't understand federalism. For your information, Makerere was built by Mengo and Buganda and no single shilling came from the central government or from other ereas of Uganda, but you don't hear us telling other people not to study at Makerere. You need to get your facts straight before you call baganda tribalistics.
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written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
Let me assume that you are making a case for a "Westminster" type of co-existence, in the Ugandan Empire / United Kingdom and Chieftains of Uganda, with Buganda taking the lead role similar to the what the English throne (occupied by the third reich at present) as a viable model.
Normally, I would have a bit to contribute further, in other circumstances I'd tell my students to discuss (and enjoy the diversity of thought in their essays). On this occassion I will request the dear reverend to think again. Is this at all workable or merely a smoke-screen for something more sinister?
Normally, I would have a bit to contribute further, in other circumstances I'd tell my students to discuss (and enjoy the diversity of thought in their essays). On this occassion I will request the dear reverend to think again. Is this at all workable or merely a smoke-screen for something more sinister?
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Mengo should be considerate of others
written by Kayumba, July 27, 2009
written by Kayumba, July 27, 2009
Fellow country men, please let us be realistic. Kampala cannot be separated from Uganda. It is a capital for all. Uganda is for all.
Mengo establishment should not demand for things that are impossible. If any one wants leadership is free to join competitive politics. If one really loves Buganda should as well love Uganda above all. Powerful Monanachs cannot exist in a democracy.
While Museveni has made many mistakes, he has done well in trying to solve the land question for the benefit of all Ugandans. No one should be allowed to enjoy the almost divine right to land at the exclusion of masses.
The NRA revolution was not possible because of only Baganda; it was an all Ugandans revolution including some Rwandese. So Baganda cannot expect to get more from its benefits than the rest of Ugandans. In fact Baganda have had a lot more already. Let us now devote our selves in Building Uganda where all nations can have reason to be proud of being Ugandans.
It will be madness if government can give in to whatever demands of particular nature when legitimate needs of universal nature are yet to be realised.
Mengo establishment should not demand for things that are impossible. If any one wants leadership is free to join competitive politics. If one really loves Buganda should as well love Uganda above all. Powerful Monanachs cannot exist in a democracy.
While Museveni has made many mistakes, he has done well in trying to solve the land question for the benefit of all Ugandans. No one should be allowed to enjoy the almost divine right to land at the exclusion of masses.
The NRA revolution was not possible because of only Baganda; it was an all Ugandans revolution including some Rwandese. So Baganda cannot expect to get more from its benefits than the rest of Ugandans. In fact Baganda have had a lot more already. Let us now devote our selves in Building Uganda where all nations can have reason to be proud of being Ugandans.
It will be madness if government can give in to whatever demands of particular nature when legitimate needs of universal nature are yet to be realised.
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Mengo should be considerate of others
written by Kayumba, July 27, 2009
written by Kayumba, July 27, 2009
(CONTINUATION)
reason to be proud of being Ugandans.
It will be madness if government can give in to whatever demands of particular nature when legitimate needs of universal nature are yet to be realised.
reason to be proud of being Ugandans.
It will be madness if government can give in to whatever demands of particular nature when legitimate needs of universal nature are yet to be realised.
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remind
written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
there were 4 counties in contest 2 chose to go bunyoro way and the other 2 chose buganda way
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bull s**t
written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
BULL s**t . why all the hatred? that's how all we feel. un loved and at pains when we fathom the future of our kids, a scared species , to live with such ple its good for buganda to secede and we go where we will wake up in a joyous spirit and where we will not grow old bse of daily worries of extinction
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written by stuart, July 27, 2009
written by stuart, July 27, 2009
When i hear of this federal issue i laugh because a federal government can't and i will never work in this beloved country of ours and i can bet on this one Buganda will never be given federal status by the President or by any other President who will rule Uganda so all these people who are agitating for a federal government are wasting their time and should concentrate on issues that unite us as one people after all not every Muganda wants a federal state.
FOR GOD AND MY COUNTRY.
FOR GOD AND MY COUNTRY.
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written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
WE DEFINE OUR FUTURE BY LOOKING AT THE PAST AND THE PRESENT. IF THE PRESENT WAS BETTER THAN THE PAST BAGANDA WOULD NOT CRAVE FOR THE PAST. BUT WHAT DO WE SEE MISERY ALL OVER BUGANDA , HATRED, EVICTIONS, AND ALL MODE OF SOCIAL ILLS MAINLY AIMED AT BAGANDA . SO WHAT DO EXPECT US TO DO ? IN TIMES OF TROUBLE, IN TIMES FEAR, IN TIMES UNCERTAINTY WE CRADLE WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO ATTAIN THE WARMTH.
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Everybody should get reasonable
written by ESB, July 27, 2009
written by ESB, July 27, 2009
Looking and reading what everyone has to say, tell u Buganda and the Baganda i am proud of, i am really proud to say we are the most welcoming people, patient, listening, and understanding and i would like to tell u that the capital city of Uganda can be moved to any part of this country to let others also get the resources they think we are enjoying, other than them thinking of expanding the city to the rest of Buganda which is not being welcomed by us. I do hope u all agree with this, and one more thing if they are dividing up districts i hear to get resources to people then they should think of dividing Kampala and add its parts to the other districts and you all should know that Kampala is part of Buganda and in Buganda by birth and geographically.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
written by omuganda, July 27, 2009
WE DEFINE OUR FUTURE BY LOOKING AT THE PAST AND THE PRESENT. IF THE PRESENT WAS
BETTER THAN THE PAST BAGANDA WOULD NOT CRAVE FOR THE PAST. BUT WHAT DO WE SEE
MISERY ALL OVER BUGANDA , HATRED, EVICTIONS, AND ALL MODE OF SOCIAL ILLS MAINLY
AIMED AT BAGANDA . SO WHAT DO UEXPECT US TO DO ? IN TIMES OF TROUBLE, IN TIMES
FEAR, IN TIMES UNCERTAINTY WE CRADLE WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO ATTAIN THE
WARMTH. HOW ON EARTH AN INDIAN IS ALLOWED TO MAKE THE SON OF THE SOIL BE ;LANDLESS SUCH THINGS HAPPEN IN UGANDA. ONLY. LET BUGANDA GO ITS WAY EVEN U LOVE THE WIFE SO MUCH IF SHE FEELS UN LOVED SEPARATION IS INEVITABLE my humble contribution is lets dismantle uganda, let us redefine our marriage contract that brought uganda together, a creation of colonialist. buganda was a nation. the problems of buganda stems fro the city being in buganda if it was somewhere else this sort of hatred wiil be minimal, relocate it to rwakitura or mbale as obote had planed then we will wait to see the reaction of those natives to the flow of foreigners.
BETTER THAN THE PAST BAGANDA WOULD NOT CRAVE FOR THE PAST. BUT WHAT DO WE SEE
MISERY ALL OVER BUGANDA , HATRED, EVICTIONS, AND ALL MODE OF SOCIAL ILLS MAINLY
AIMED AT BAGANDA . SO WHAT DO UEXPECT US TO DO ? IN TIMES OF TROUBLE, IN TIMES
FEAR, IN TIMES UNCERTAINTY WE CRADLE WITH FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO ATTAIN THE
WARMTH. HOW ON EARTH AN INDIAN IS ALLOWED TO MAKE THE SON OF THE SOIL BE ;LANDLESS SUCH THINGS HAPPEN IN UGANDA. ONLY. LET BUGANDA GO ITS WAY EVEN U LOVE THE WIFE SO MUCH IF SHE FEELS UN LOVED SEPARATION IS INEVITABLE my humble contribution is lets dismantle uganda, let us redefine our marriage contract that brought uganda together, a creation of colonialist. buganda was a nation. the problems of buganda stems fro the city being in buganda if it was somewhere else this sort of hatred wiil be minimal, relocate it to rwakitura or mbale as obote had planed then we will wait to see the reaction of those natives to the flow of foreigners.
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fight your own fights
written by Matovu, July 27, 2009
written by Matovu, July 27, 2009
Guys, choose either to fight your own war, or help others fight their wars.
These stories remind me of my late father, whose most important
treasure was muteesa's portrait. I here obote men used to **** any
body found in possesion with any kabaka related material. After the
poor man surviving all checkpoints with this portrait, he treasured it
even on his deathbed.
What amused me is how he used to sell a piece of his (personally
acquired) land, everytime I went to him for tution. Wondering why he
wasn't registering me for the so ccalled kabak education foundation, I
was later to discover that the selection criteria there is more
secterian than what we here about in public service.
This taught me a lesson. I have to fight my own fights. In this error
when the cost of living is shocking, jobs are no where and landlords
are busy evicting tenants and bibanja holders, it makes no sense to
start saying government is stealing our land. When mutebi and sebaana
tell you that come and we fight for "our" land, just look at your self
and see how much land you have yourself. In fact all you will be doing
is help them fight for "their" land. Because they're the biggest
landlords in uganda (I here of late they have sold of most of the land
to the likes of jomayi).
Bottomline - this ebyaffe is not really ebyaffe. It is ebyabwe
(theirs). Ask all those that love their kabaka what the kabaka has
done for them apart from asking the pennyless peasants not to sell
their land, or atleast if they sell, they should not sell to non
baganda - whatever that is supposed to imply.
To my amusement, some of kabaka's legal team are non baganda. I wonder
whether mutebi has instructed them not to read newvision too. If not,
then he must have realised how much we need each other for prosperity.
By the way nambooze's federo is very different from betty kamya's. The
former is mornachism, wrapped as federo - the sole aim is to restore
the untouchable authority of sabasajja. The problem we are going to
get forever is that much most opposition politicians know that
buganda's demands are unrealistic, they pretend to be siding with
mengo. It will only be after they're in power that mengo will realise
that no sane presidtent can meet the demands and the cycle will
continue.
For god and myself
These stories remind me of my late father, whose most important
treasure was muteesa's portrait. I here obote men used to **** any
body found in possesion with any kabaka related material. After the
poor man surviving all checkpoints with this portrait, he treasured it
even on his deathbed.
What amused me is how he used to sell a piece of his (personally
acquired) land, everytime I went to him for tution. Wondering why he
wasn't registering me for the so ccalled kabak education foundation, I
was later to discover that the selection criteria there is more
secterian than what we here about in public service.
This taught me a lesson. I have to fight my own fights. In this error
when the cost of living is shocking, jobs are no where and landlords
are busy evicting tenants and bibanja holders, it makes no sense to
start saying government is stealing our land. When mutebi and sebaana
tell you that come and we fight for "our" land, just look at your self
and see how much land you have yourself. In fact all you will be doing
is help them fight for "their" land. Because they're the biggest
landlords in uganda (I here of late they have sold of most of the land
to the likes of jomayi).
Bottomline - this ebyaffe is not really ebyaffe. It is ebyabwe
(theirs). Ask all those that love their kabaka what the kabaka has
done for them apart from asking the pennyless peasants not to sell
their land, or atleast if they sell, they should not sell to non
baganda - whatever that is supposed to imply.
To my amusement, some of kabaka's legal team are non baganda. I wonder
whether mutebi has instructed them not to read newvision too. If not,
then he must have realised how much we need each other for prosperity.
By the way nambooze's federo is very different from betty kamya's. The
former is mornachism, wrapped as federo - the sole aim is to restore
the untouchable authority of sabasajja. The problem we are going to
get forever is that much most opposition politicians know that
buganda's demands are unrealistic, they pretend to be siding with
mengo. It will only be after they're in power that mengo will realise
that no sane presidtent can meet the demands and the cycle will
continue.
For god and myself
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written by Kulumba, July 27, 2009
written by Kulumba, July 27, 2009
John Mayer!! Your name looks exotic but you really need to polish up your english. You seem to have gone to the same University like the mayor of Kla. Otherwise thanks for writing rubbish. Get a life!!
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thats not important
written by dan, July 27, 2009
written by dan, July 27, 2009
Anonymous, being loaded is not important. that's typical of a muganda.
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written by wilber, July 27, 2009
written by wilber, July 27, 2009
Omuganda, we are tired of that phrase of 'we harm harm no one'. who told you that federo is for buganda? i am going to sacrifice and decampaign that cause. there's no federo for you and kampala has to expand whether you like it or not.
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written by musajja, July 27, 2009
written by musajja, July 27, 2009
ALL INSULTS ANGAIST BAGANDA MAKE ME FEEL MORE PROUD TO BE MUGANDA.
WE BROUGHT CIVILISATION TO UGANDA, BUT OUR FRIENDS MISTOOK IT FOR COLLABORATORS( MUTESA I INVITED THE BRITISH TO COME AND TEACH HIS PEOPLE) TODAY EVERY UGANDAN REGARDLESS OF TRIBE WANTS HIS OR HER CHILD TO HAVE A GOOD WESTERN EDUCATION THANKS TO BAGANDA KINGS FOR THEIR FORE SIGHT; THE FACT WILL ALWAYAS BE THAT IF U WANT THE BEST OF EVERYTHING FROM SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, HOTELS , NIGHTCLUBS, TOLERANT PEOPLE, WELL EDUCATED, LOVE FOR THERE CULTURE, BUGANDA IS THE PLACE TO IN UGANDA.
THAT IS WHY THOSE WHO WRITE HATE ABOUT BUGANDA CANNOT LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT BUGANDA REGION, AND THEY ARE WELCOME, DONT BE AFRAID WE WILL NEVER THROW YOU OUT, WE ARE ALL UGANDANS. BUT WE SIMPLY WANT TO MANAGE OUR OWN AFFAIRS WITHIN A UNITED UGANDA.
IN BRITAIN SCOTLAND, WALES , NORTHERN IRELAND ALL HAVE THEIR OWN ASSEMBLIES BUT WITHIN A UNITED KINGDOM, SO IT IS POSSIBLE IN UGANDA IF PEOPLE WANT IT THAT WAY, NATIONS ARE BUILT ON CONSESUS.
WE BROUGHT CIVILISATION TO UGANDA, BUT OUR FRIENDS MISTOOK IT FOR COLLABORATORS( MUTESA I INVITED THE BRITISH TO COME AND TEACH HIS PEOPLE) TODAY EVERY UGANDAN REGARDLESS OF TRIBE WANTS HIS OR HER CHILD TO HAVE A GOOD WESTERN EDUCATION THANKS TO BAGANDA KINGS FOR THEIR FORE SIGHT; THE FACT WILL ALWAYAS BE THAT IF U WANT THE BEST OF EVERYTHING FROM SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, HOTELS , NIGHTCLUBS, TOLERANT PEOPLE, WELL EDUCATED, LOVE FOR THERE CULTURE, BUGANDA IS THE PLACE TO IN UGANDA.
THAT IS WHY THOSE WHO WRITE HATE ABOUT BUGANDA CANNOT LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT BUGANDA REGION, AND THEY ARE WELCOME, DONT BE AFRAID WE WILL NEVER THROW YOU OUT, WE ARE ALL UGANDANS. BUT WE SIMPLY WANT TO MANAGE OUR OWN AFFAIRS WITHIN A UNITED UGANDA.
IN BRITAIN SCOTLAND, WALES , NORTHERN IRELAND ALL HAVE THEIR OWN ASSEMBLIES BUT WITHIN A UNITED KINGDOM, SO IT IS POSSIBLE IN UGANDA IF PEOPLE WANT IT THAT WAY, NATIONS ARE BUILT ON CONSESUS.
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Stuart, your sense of reasoning is lacking
written by benon, July 27, 2009
written by benon, July 27, 2009
Thought this was a mature board but look at posts like this, then get the picture of how ignorant M7ism is leaving Ugandans like Stuart. Stuart and co are complete morons. Simple
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Kayumba, we've known this for 23yrs
written by benon, July 27, 2009
written by benon, July 27, 2009
23 Years on Kayumba still thinks like yesterday. Stop the NRA talk. We've heard enough of that.
where is the impossibility in asking for your rights. Is it the same premise that the NRA/movement/ whatever it is, has used to deny people their fundermental rights to association, democracy, speech and the like?
What makes you feel you have some good advice for mengo since I can read any
where is the impossibility in asking for your rights. Is it the same premise that the NRA/movement/ whatever it is, has used to deny people their fundermental rights to association, democracy, speech and the like?
What makes you feel you have some good advice for mengo since I can read any
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Ggomba don't apologise
written by benon, July 27, 2009
written by benon, July 27, 2009
Please don't apologise Ggomba for calling these morons idiots. They are buffoons constantly in the search of an identity and unfortunately in that course end up prostrating their frustrations on Buganda and the culture. We've come of age to be able to say these are idiots
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gather your facts you idiot
written by benon, July 27, 2009
written by benon, July 27, 2009
Get your facts right and come back and make a discussion here. Nakawa residents are not being evicted by Buganda and neither is Buganda involved in all the mass land give aways from king Museveni the buffoon.
The chaos on entebbe road is by gov't mafias, butabika land bonanza, shimoni saga ang give away, UTV by the co's and the rest it.
Point is, the gov't and vultures that have come with it are the biggest players in evictions and responsible for all land conflicts in Buganda and Uganda today. Ask the acholi, they will testify to this. Buganda wasn't there at all
The chaos on entebbe road is by gov't mafias, butabika land bonanza, shimoni saga ang give away, UTV by the co's and the rest it.
Point is, the gov't and vultures that have come with it are the biggest players in evictions and responsible for all land conflicts in Buganda and Uganda today. Ask the acholi, they will testify to this. Buganda wasn't there at all
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welldone reverand, you make me proud
written by benon, July 27, 2009
written by benon, July 27, 2009
I can't think of a more complete analysis of the political sphere Uganda has had since it turned a republic. Well done reverand. I won't be adding anything on that simple analysis/observation
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The Kabaka Vs Museveni
written by Kyakabale, July 27, 2009
written by Kyakabale, July 27, 2009
The only problem with the Kabaka and the Baganda in general, is that they trust anybody. How on earth can you trust a man like Museveni? The man does not trust his wife, his son and I dont think he trusts himself either.
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Musajja is a lier!!
written by GOBA, July 27, 2009
written by GOBA, July 27, 2009
What type of civilization did Buganda bring to Uganda? The Acholi/Luo brought civilizations from Egypt!! Your were busy sacrificing human and Luos showed you how to sacrifice animals instead, they tought you how to read, they gave you the KINGDOM......there was no Kingdom in Uganda until the Luos came from Egypt.
Bagandas should stop trying to show off to those of us who know a lot about the history of Uganda/Africa. Most of us are humble readers and listenners to the commotions between the Gov't and the Mengo establishment.
My mother attended Gayaza Junior School in late 1930s with Mutebi's mother, they were great friends. Sarah(Mutebi's Mom) at that time told my mother that the Bagandas from Masaka did not want the Kingdom because all the household workers for the kingdom and the sacrificial children were taken from Masaka. This is to show that not all Bagandas want this federo.
It is true that Museveni has surely tricked the Bagandas. But they will always be victims unless they've learned something.
Bagandas should stop trying to show off to those of us who know a lot about the history of Uganda/Africa. Most of us are humble readers and listenners to the commotions between the Gov't and the Mengo establishment.
My mother attended Gayaza Junior School in late 1930s with Mutebi's mother, they were great friends. Sarah(Mutebi's Mom) at that time told my mother that the Bagandas from Masaka did not want the Kingdom because all the household workers for the kingdom and the sacrificial children were taken from Masaka. This is to show that not all Bagandas want this federo.
It is true that Museveni has surely tricked the Bagandas. But they will always be victims unless they've learned something.
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written by Ggomba, July 27, 2009
written by Ggomba, July 27, 2009
Exactly what did I lie about? Makerere University was built and paid for by Buganda and Baganda tax payers. I have know idea what you are rumbling about Luos from Egypt. Did you ever take history in Uganda? Did you learn about Speak, Grant, etc?. Anyway its a waste of time for me to even be responding to you thread. Why don't you accept that when buganda was managing Makerere, it was one of the best if not the best in Africa until after independence that things started going south? Don't you think if Buganda was given a federal status to manage its affairs, buganda will be back to its grory days?and every Uganda would benefit? I don't know what you are talking about regarding Luos taught baganda how to sucrifise animals, god help us we are back to stone ages.
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written by makanga, July 27, 2009
written by makanga, July 27, 2009
Ggomba i really think you were born in the 80s to suggest that baganda brought civilization to uganda.
One Question:where did buganda bring civilization from? You mean to say education,hospitals,respect for culture etc all emanated from buganda's love for the british by inviting them in?? if so,the why did mutesa get exiled by the very british he invited??why did buganda wait for the british before acclaiming civilization,education,love for culture,hospitals etc?? these are all tired rhetorics not worth any one's time.Are you trying to say that buganda was more advanced in those stone gaed days than today?? man get real!
One Question:where did buganda bring civilization from? You mean to say education,hospitals,respect for culture etc all emanated from buganda's love for the british by inviting them in?? if so,the why did mutesa get exiled by the very british he invited??why did buganda wait for the british before acclaiming civilization,education,love for culture,hospitals etc?? these are all tired rhetorics not worth any one's time.Are you trying to say that buganda was more advanced in those stone gaed days than today?? man get real!
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written by makanga, July 27, 2009
written by makanga, July 27, 2009
Obote abolished all the kingdoms because he had seen as a foresighted leader that this kind of arrangement would never benefit uganda as a nation.Thats why no president has ever reversed completely what he abolished,not even Paulo Muwanga,Binaisa,Lule who all came aftrr he had been deposed by Amin neither has your man museveni done any better apart from giving you sweets in wrapping.
Just a question:having abolished all kingdoms,why is that its only baganda making the most noise yet other kingdoms suffred the same fate??
Just a question:having abolished all kingdoms,why is that its only baganda making the most noise yet other kingdoms suffred the same fate??
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written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
Can I also add that Buganda itself is / was a "federated" kingdom of chieftains i.e Kooki, Buluuli, Bukunja etc. which in the present day is fragile as evidenced by the aborted trip of Mutebi to Nakasongola where they are seeking secession from Buganda.
I mention this for the benefit of those agitating for "federo" to highlight the conundrum of having a federated buganda in a federal Uganda. Conversely, that Buganda continues to tether those chieftaincies that "demand" seccesion while at the same time crying foul for not being allowed to seccede from / fedrate in Uganda is a qualified case ofdouble standards that will not be entertained.
I mention this for the benefit of those agitating for "federo" to highlight the conundrum of having a federated buganda in a federal Uganda. Conversely, that Buganda continues to tether those chieftaincies that "demand" seccesion while at the same time crying foul for not being allowed to seccede from / fedrate in Uganda is a qualified case ofdouble standards that will not be entertained.
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written by makanga, July 27, 2009
written by makanga, July 27, 2009
Buganda did not have any glory before the british came.all baganda were peasants like all other aprts of uganda.Given their cunning nature,they got exploited by the british and allowed them entry.
In any part of colonial Africa,the bazungus had entry points where they settled,studied their hosts before expanding their colonisation to other parts.The british culture entailed developing whererever they settled/conquered and buganda benefitted from this being the first to welcome them.
Had this happened in Lango,Acholi or Bunyoro,these regions would have been where buganda is today.
Stop hoodwinking people with cheap selfish deman s for federo which will neer be granted.
In any case,has any government ever stopped baganda from developing their areas???
Uganda happens to have its capital city located in buganda.any country would develop its capital city and sorrounding areas as is the case in buganda.
In any part of colonial Africa,the bazungus had entry points where they settled,studied their hosts before expanding their colonisation to other parts.The british culture entailed developing whererever they settled/conquered and buganda benefitted from this being the first to welcome them.
Had this happened in Lango,Acholi or Bunyoro,these regions would have been where buganda is today.
Stop hoodwinking people with cheap selfish deman s for federo which will neer be granted.
In any case,has any government ever stopped baganda from developing their areas???
Uganda happens to have its capital city located in buganda.any country would develop its capital city and sorrounding areas as is the case in buganda.
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written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
The only problem with the talk of "we've heard enough of NRA" is it comes from simple minds who have no context. I say this on good ground.
During the "negotiations" to crown Mutebi (not to restore kingdoms which happened afterwards), a certain section of Baganda fowarded the same argument that M7 had been in power over 5 years (by then) and they were tired of NRA talk. The substance of the argument was federation. It is now a further (over) 16 years and the same argument is being put foward.
Moral of the story: It helps to appreciate the other side's arguments and contribution(s). If NRA talk is irrelevant, what is? The only reason you are able to hold these arguments and make these demands is because of NRA (not even UPDF). Mweddekko!
During the "negotiations" to crown Mutebi (not to restore kingdoms which happened afterwards), a certain section of Baganda fowarded the same argument that M7 had been in power over 5 years (by then) and they were tired of NRA talk. The substance of the argument was federation. It is now a further (over) 16 years and the same argument is being put foward.
Moral of the story: It helps to appreciate the other side's arguments and contribution(s). If NRA talk is irrelevant, what is? The only reason you are able to hold these arguments and make these demands is because of NRA (not even UPDF). Mweddekko!
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written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
There is a price to pay when you embrace Kingdoms. Do not be fooled, the only reason there are Indians in Uganda is not because of NRM, but because of Buganda Kingdom. I am sure this sounds un-true to you, but believe me, that is the BEST truth you are going to hear for a while.
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written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
written by Emperror, July 27, 2009
Stuart is correct and you are wrong. Read the word Re-Public .... Republic. This is synonymous with democratic leadership as opposed to hereditary leadership (as inherently practiced by Kingdoms). Infact, on a pure scale, the two Republics and Kingdoms are chalk and cheese.
As you can see, the ignorant one here is benon, no other.
As you can see, the ignorant one here is benon, no other.
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written by a guest, July 27, 2009
written by a guest, July 27, 2009
Makanga, civilization evolves if a community is well organized. That may explain how the Baganda brought civilization. I would like to add though tat Bganda also benefited from the Tembuzi, Chwezi and Bito civilizations as the West benefited from the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Arab civilizations.
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Makanga
written by Ggomba, July 28, 2009
written by Ggomba, July 28, 2009
Makanga its clear that you don't understand my threads here. First of all, my threads are about Makerere and you have sidelined my issue to your confort zone and by the way, civilization begins with education, if buganda saw it fit to provide higher education to its people, that's civilization. Secondly, all the elite schools we have in Buganda was again made it possible by Buganda. I care less where the entry point for the british was, but the fact that buganda reliased the importance of civilization, they took advantage of the white people and visa-vasa. I know its hard for you to give credit where its due but yes buganda tried its best to educate Ugandans until Obote and Amin saw no value in education and thus, where we are today. Give Buganda a federal system and see how Kampala is transformed to a modern city. Talking about getting real.
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Buganda is a leader
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
Makanga asks why it is only Baganda (and not any other peoples in Uganda) are making noise. I hate to snide, but he might need educating. Unlike 1966 when most of Uganda could be made to see Buganda as 'the problem', now dissatisfaction is more widely spread. He also does not understand why Buganda? If he cannot understand the reason why, it is doubtful that he perceives the level of political, economic, and cultural development that Buganda had achieved. Buganda is a leader. On 'borrowing' - as 'Anonymous' (above) suggests, Buganda did not grow in isolation. No nation does. It is what it makes of what it has received from elsewhere that really matters.
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Uganda and hell
written by M. Kibuka, July 28, 2009
written by M. Kibuka, July 28, 2009
Before Uganda, there was Buganda, Bunyoro, Acholi etc. Uganda is a creation of the whites, that's to say, it belongs to the colonialists more than to Ugandans, as they never consented to its creation. Obote liked it very much because he prefered to rule in hell than serve in heavens.
Hence, Uganda is hell and the sooner the so-called nationalistic Ugandans realise it the better for them. Lancaster negotiations that created the 1962 federo is the only way to go. Take it or leave it.
Hence, Uganda is hell and the sooner the so-called nationalistic Ugandans realise it the better for them. Lancaster negotiations that created the 1962 federo is the only way to go. Take it or leave it.
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written by a guest, July 28, 2009
written by a guest, July 28, 2009
Whatever the case is. There is a Buganda question and now we have a northern Uganda question. I think some areas of Uganda will gain more from Federalism than Buganda. There are districts and regions where people are dying of hunger, eaten by Jiggers and are bitterly traumatic but waiting for a solution from Kampala. For how long are we going to accept such a system. Ugandans have allowed to put all power in one man in Kampala, just to neutralize Buganda. Well, true Buganda is impacted, but I believe some areas/regions are suffering more. So Ugandans, lets sit on table and discuss a way forward other than always finding ways to tame Buganda, the problem is our leaders not Buganda
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written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
There you are at it again.Much as i agree that disatisfaction is widespread but one thing you fail to understand is that the baganda are not as much affected as other regions/tribes and yet you are making more noise hence leading in this way.
My only problem with buganda is the form of federo its asking for.Why not put it plain and clear that buganda wants to secede and become independent of the rest uganda full stop!! given that buganda has been developed ever since i dont know when,they therefore can not be part of a united uganda where other regions are inferior in terms of everthing.
Most of the problems buganda is facing today are self inflicted.why did you not resist the british like menelik did to the Italians in the name of preserving your cultural,social and economic development??
You are the very people selling your own land to the foreigners you so resent in buganda today.i dodb^nt think any government has ever prevented the baganda or any tribe from developing socially,culturally and economically.You fail to see that in trems of natural resources,buganda region lags behind except for that matooke that is grown all over the country.
Simply say buganda wants to secede and fight for it full stop!!!
I can assure you this federo nonsense will never be granted till kingdom come and should mengo continue issuing ultimatums,i see museveni getting fed up and doing what obote did.
Am not a fan of museveni even for an inch but i feel your people are simply cowards who cant call a spade a spade.
My only problem with buganda is the form of federo its asking for.Why not put it plain and clear that buganda wants to secede and become independent of the rest uganda full stop!! given that buganda has been developed ever since i dont know when,they therefore can not be part of a united uganda where other regions are inferior in terms of everthing.
Most of the problems buganda is facing today are self inflicted.why did you not resist the british like menelik did to the Italians in the name of preserving your cultural,social and economic development??
You are the very people selling your own land to the foreigners you so resent in buganda today.i dodb^nt think any government has ever prevented the baganda or any tribe from developing socially,culturally and economically.You fail to see that in trems of natural resources,buganda region lags behind except for that matooke that is grown all over the country.
Simply say buganda wants to secede and fight for it full stop!!!
I can assure you this federo nonsense will never be granted till kingdom come and should mengo continue issuing ultimatums,i see museveni getting fed up and doing what obote did.
Am not a fan of museveni even for an inch but i feel your people are simply cowards who cant call a spade a spade.
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written by Judith, July 28, 2009
written by Judith, July 28, 2009
All of the Buganda haters on here, should know that Buganda lived long before Uganda and shall live long after with or without Uganda. Buganda unlike Ankole is not a one man entity where one man (read Museveni) can decide for every one that Obugabe is not necessary.
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written by Judith, July 28, 2009
written by Judith, July 28, 2009
what a load of bollocks!! how can people who dont have a kingdom introduce one to a foreign nation?
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written by Judith, July 28, 2009
written by Judith, July 28, 2009
I have always insisted that the Capital should be moved to another place.....so that other people can enjoy whatever they think Buganda is enjoying. Some pple are under the illusion that without the capital Buganda cannot survive....trash
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'You, Baganda' talk
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
My suggestion - and it is only a suggestion - is that if we right 'you Baganda', 'you this and that ethnic group' we stand to generate more heat than light. None of us is writing for our ethnic group and some ethnic groups have mixed blood - don't we know about intermarriage in Uganda? I think it is also wrong to impute motives e.g. that Buganda wants to secede from Uganda when Buganda has not demanded this. Makanga wonders why the Baganda did not resist British colonialism? Does he know about Mwanga? Does he know why the plan to settle the Israelis in Uganda failed? Does he know why the British did not declare Uganda a colony like S. Rhodesia or Kenya?
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written by FGAMYC, July 28, 2009
written by FGAMYC, July 28, 2009
Emperor, I have been observing here for sometime now. I have one simple question for you.......WHY DO YOU HATE BUGANDA (AND BAGANDA) SO MUCH. I thought you were up to some sense until I saw this post.....any body who becomes abusive and insulting in a debate loses the plot in my world (of the civilised)
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written by Angel, July 28, 2009
written by Angel, July 28, 2009
Typical............and we will even sell you more land! As you continue to expose your ignorance. We love money yes. I will tell you about the best and most realistic joke on Kampala streets today. 'My friend is half muganda and half munyankore which mean that he knows how to make money but has also got an opportunity to steal it'. We all know that you are stealing this money, all we can take it from you by selling you land and then we shall reclaim our land when a government that respects the rule of law comes in, trouble is you will have no opportunity to reclaim the money.
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written by MTIBEZINDA, July 28, 2009
written by MTIBEZINDA, July 28, 2009
BAGANDA PROGRESSIVE POLITICIANS WHO ARE READY TO CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY IN THE NATIONAL POLITICS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL UGANDANS ARE ALWAYS BOGED DOWN BY THESE MENGO FEUDLES. FOR EXAMPLE: A MAN LIKE BENEDICKTO KIWANUKA, ON POLITIC, HE BEAT OBOTE HANDS DOWN AND BEAT KABKA HANDS DOWN. IF IT WASNT BECAUSE OF THESE FEUDLES IN MENGO, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PRESIDENT AND UGANDA WOULD HAVE BEEN A UNITED AND PEACEFUL COUNTRY FROM THEN ON HE. DISPITE HIS POLITICAL SETBACK, HE STILL SAW MUTESA AS A FELLOW UGANDAN. HE HELPED MUTESA WITH HIS LIGAL CASE WHEN HE WAS IN LONDON YET THE FEUDLE FOLLOWERS WHO WERE IN LONDON AT THAT TIME COULD NOT EVEN GO ANYWERE NEAR MUTESA FOR REAR THAT THEIR SCHOLASHIP COULD BE WITHDROWN BY THE BRITISH AUTHORITY. HE WAS A TRUE UGANDAN. HIS QUALITY HIS QUALITY MAKES HIM ALIVE TO THIS DAY AND MAKES THESE MENGO FEUDLES LOOKS LIKE DEAD COPSES OF 10AD. THEY ARE A WEST OF SPACE AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTAMINATE THE NEXT GENERATION OF PROGRESSIVE UGANDAN LIKE KIWANUKA.
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written by GOBA, July 28, 2009
written by GOBA, July 28, 2009
Rev., Bagandas have a very big problem; in 1988, I was a student at a Sec. Sch. in Buganda, I was one of few student who was from Eastern Uganda and I was singled out as a northerner. One day, Museveni was to visit the area. As soon as the president's helicopter arrieved in the AIR..IN THE AIR not even landed yet, the Bagandans began to kneel, praising him, and chanting in Luganda and I recall very well what they were all saying as I can understand a bit of luganda and a of friend came running to me saying that they were praising Museveni for liberating them from the ****ER ACHOLIS and that he should make sure that all "BACHOLI" get ****ed also. This send chivers into our spines and from that time on I have hated the Bagandas because I knew that the northerners were nice people and they were not ****ers as the rest of Ugandans were made to believe. I grew up with the Acholis and they are very nice people. ****ing in Uganda began when the Banyrwandas came to Uganda.
Bagandas exhibit ARROGANCE and IGNORANCES. They danced for Museveni, they worshipped him, they kissed his feet, they thought that he was JESUS!! So why don't you Bagandas listen to him now and accept your SAVIOUR!!!
I wish Bagandas would read the history of the Great Lake Region before the White man came. Most of the history Bagandas know is post colonialism. We are not concerned with who built Makerere University, we are concerned with cultural modifications which was in reality; civilizations.
Bagandas exhibit ARROGANCE and IGNORANCES. They danced for Museveni, they worshipped him, they kissed his feet, they thought that he was JESUS!! So why don't you Bagandas listen to him now and accept your SAVIOUR!!!
I wish Bagandas would read the history of the Great Lake Region before the White man came. Most of the history Bagandas know is post colonialism. We are not concerned with who built Makerere University, we are concerned with cultural modifications which was in reality; civilizations.
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Judith,
written by GOBA, July 28, 2009
written by GOBA, July 28, 2009
Read history, how the Luos came down from Egypt in search of the source of River Nile and brought with them civilizations. The Luo arrieved in Uganda way before the British did. The British were afraid of the Luos. CIVILIZATION IS CULTURAL MODIFICATIONS. Not all Luos have Kingdoms but they know how to install them [the Alur (Luo) Kingdom is the oldest in Uganda] from Bunyoro-Toro-Ankole-Buganda-Busoga. Like it or not, just read your history. Better yet, go to the encyclopedia and look under the Luo/Chwezi empire. I remember Museveni writing about this a while back, so you see, the Buganda's Prophet Museveni even told you so!!!!!! The problem is that Bagandas are ARROGANT AND IGNORANT!!!!
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I like Goba's honesty
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
A person like Goba is someone I'd love to meet. He is honest and willing to tell the bad experience he had. Such experiences are painful and last a long time. Some approaches will be necessary. First, an acknowledgement that collectively we (might) have hurt others. Second, that historical legacies remain, although we played no part in them. Third, that we often stereotype. I am sure each one of us has met a person of another 'tribe' in Uganda, even among those one might love to hate who is an angel. I was in the Luwero Triangle in 1983 and can tell you a thing or two about the accusations and counter-accusations.
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written by Marion, July 28, 2009
written by Marion, July 28, 2009
I am from Masaka and we are not keen on FEDERO!! Baganda should vote on this issue!!
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written by Ggomba, July 28, 2009
written by Ggomba, July 28, 2009
DON'T BUY NEW-VISION AND BUKEDDE. Lets us show our power peacefully. I have asked my family and friends not to buy those news papers. If this is sucessul, M7 will no that we are fed up with his corrupt governemnt.
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written by GOBA, July 28, 2009
written by GOBA, July 28, 2009
Read the history of the great lakes and the Luo migrations. This dates back to the time when King Pharoah expelled the Jews and the Luos/Dinkas from Egypt. Bagandas built Makerere after realizing that there was such things as SCHOOLINGS brought down from Egypt by the Luos. CIVILIZATION IS NOT NECCESSARILY education, it is more of a modification of cultures and traditons. Like it or not, Bagandas used to sacrifice little girls from Masaka region for the Kabakas, and it is in history as to how you Bagandas had a king named CHWA, and this is why Toro and Bunyoro have Oyo, etc. The truth HURTS!!
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written by Emperror, July 28, 2009
written by Emperror, July 28, 2009
Economic sabotage as a tool of protest sanctioned by an NGO / QUANGO (Buganda govt) is a double edged sword. In my opinion, seeking redress through the courts of law is the only plausible course of action. Remember, though govt is the majority shareholder of Vision group, there are private / autonomous shareholders who can bring an action against the perpetrators (Buganda and Mutebi).
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written by Emperror, July 28, 2009
written by Emperror, July 28, 2009
Ahh! The observer doing the rounds at the independent! I'd be very happy to be described any other way than civilised if that is what you are.
I am not sure why you think I hate Buganda / Baganda, since I am one. Totally muganda without any doubt. And NO, I do not hate myself.
If what triggered you off is the reference to Mutebi as being dense, insecure and treacherous, well, I have a right to my opinion and a commensurate right to air my opinion. I additionally have had the un-pleasurable experience of dealing with Mutebi over a long spell of time and stand by my considered opinion.
I am not sure why you think I hate Buganda / Baganda, since I am one. Totally muganda without any doubt. And NO, I do not hate myself.
If what triggered you off is the reference to Mutebi as being dense, insecure and treacherous, well, I have a right to my opinion and a commensurate right to air my opinion. I additionally have had the un-pleasurable experience of dealing with Mutebi over a long spell of time and stand by my considered opinion.
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Anyone Who is not for Federal can go and hung!
written by Imhotep, July 28, 2009
written by Imhotep, July 28, 2009
It is apparent that Buganda shall have to take up arms to fight for her cause. Because some people (minority) would rather leave with rotten hospitals, rotten schools spewing out half-baked mental pygmies such as the emperrors of today, rotten roads, et al. Change has to be effected by having change agents in place, who happen to be the peasants on the land. What Mengo needs are good leaders to lead the charge. We cannot keep on leaving this way while some guys are busy mocking and gnawing their teeth. I have said it before the Kikuyus in Kenya did it, the Zulus in SA have done it, these are examples for Buganda to follow! Enough with the negotiations!
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A Luo has never been a Muganda king.
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 28, 2009
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 28, 2009
The first king of Buganda was called Kintu.Kintu is not a Luo name.We have no king in Buganda's history with a Luo name.
Nobody in Buganda's royal family has ever had his or her name start with O.You are talking rubbish by suggesting that tha Luos created our kingdom.Nobody in the Baganda royal family has Luo features.If Luos civilsed Baganda, why is it Baganda are now more civilsed than Luos.
Nobody in Buganda's royal family has ever had his or her name start with O.You are talking rubbish by suggesting that tha Luos created our kingdom.Nobody in the Baganda royal family has Luo features.If Luos civilsed Baganda, why is it Baganda are now more civilsed than Luos.
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Acholis worse than animals
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 28, 2009
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 28, 2009
WE all know the havoc the Acholis wrecked on Buganda during Obote's and Okello's rule.One Muganda man was forced to bite off the nose of his neighbour in Luwero.Ipersonally have the picture of this Muganda man with out a nose.The Acholis under Kony are raping their own people,and maiming then.What a cruel tribe.If they do that to fellow Acholis,then how much more so to a Muganda.Even animals are kind to their own type,but Kony typifies the Acholi character.They are worse than animals.
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If only Buganda was a federal land
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 28, 2009
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 28, 2009
Buganda is asking for federalism out of frustration.At the moment our hands are tied.We have the potential to run Uganda even better than Museveni,but the other tribes do not want to give us that opportunity.We watch impotently and see how the central government blows its trumpet about its achievements which are non existent.Even the WorldBank acknowledges how much of the aid and tax payers money is stolen and siphoned off to bank accounts both inside and abroad.Germany investors who were put off by Museveni's minsiters demanding kickbacks were forced to withdraw their investment in Uganda.
Museveni got the list of the ministers who asked for kickbacks,and because these were his Banyankole friends,he never divulged their names to the public.So Buganda can do it better if left alone.The so called development is just a fraction of what Baganda can do if given federalism.Jealousy blinds the other tribes to this reality.Museveni and those who fear federalism know that they will not have a free hand in their stealing of public funds with impunity.
Museveni got the list of the ministers who asked for kickbacks,and because these were his Banyankole friends,he never divulged their names to the public.So Buganda can do it better if left alone.The so called development is just a fraction of what Baganda can do if given federalism.Jealousy blinds the other tribes to this reality.Museveni and those who fear federalism know that they will not have a free hand in their stealing of public funds with impunity.
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written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
Dear Reverand,you asked me about Muwanga and the Isrealites etc.
Is that waht you call resistance??How many wars did buganda fight against the british??the only resistance was waged by Kabalega and the Acholis in the Lamogi rebellion of 1911.Muwanga's opposition was can not be put in a category of resistance given that the british felt more at home in buganda than in other regions hence using baganda to help them conquer other areas.If you say that Muwanga resisted the British then i will say that the British defeated him and used his subjects to their satisfaction.period!!
The plan to settle the Israelites in uganda did not fail because of buganda's opposition.This was a highly sensitive political issue supported by major powers like the US and the proposal was to settle the Jews in karamoja not buganda.
Do you think the level of resistance by the palestinians and the entire arab world against Israel being established where it is today could be less than buganda's opposition to the settlement of jews in uganda?? This is a very innappropriate example you are giving here Reverand Kasibante.
Is that waht you call resistance??How many wars did buganda fight against the british??the only resistance was waged by Kabalega and the Acholis in the Lamogi rebellion of 1911.Muwanga's opposition was can not be put in a category of resistance given that the british felt more at home in buganda than in other regions hence using baganda to help them conquer other areas.If you say that Muwanga resisted the British then i will say that the British defeated him and used his subjects to their satisfaction.period!!
The plan to settle the Israelites in uganda did not fail because of buganda's opposition.This was a highly sensitive political issue supported by major powers like the US and the proposal was to settle the Jews in karamoja not buganda.
Do you think the level of resistance by the palestinians and the entire arab world against Israel being established where it is today could be less than buganda's opposition to the settlement of jews in uganda?? This is a very innappropriate example you are giving here Reverand Kasibante.
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written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
Do you think the level of resistance by the
palestinians and the entire arab world against Israel being established where it is today was less compared to Buganda's resistance?? You are using a very innappropriate example to convince me here reverand.
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palestinians and the entire arab world against Israel being established where it is today was less compared to Buganda's resistance?? You are using a very innappropriate example to convince me here reverand.
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written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
written by Makanga, July 28, 2009
Your post above is abit misleading.
During the luwero war,i will tell you that 50% of the abuses were commited by NRA rebels clad in UNLA uniforms to discredit the Obote regine and win support of the ocal population.I personnal have friends who were in the bush and are now currently in govt who confirmed this to me.Gen Otaffire and some high ranking soldier once mentioned in a news paper inter that the rebelsused to put on upc colors and harass civillains to discredit the govt and win support.
But becasue you are so easy to use,you blindly accept museveni's lies.Those who know the story about Museveni's bush war tactics confess that this guy is one of the deadliest animals ever created by God.wait and hear the true stories whn he's overhrown.wait
During the luwero war,i will tell you that 50% of the abuses were commited by NRA rebels clad in UNLA uniforms to discredit the Obote regine and win support of the ocal population.I personnal have friends who were in the bush and are now currently in govt who confirmed this to me.Gen Otaffire and some high ranking soldier once mentioned in a news paper inter that the rebelsused to put on upc colors and harass civillains to discredit the govt and win support.
But becasue you are so easy to use,you blindly accept museveni's lies.Those who know the story about Museveni's bush war tactics confess that this guy is one of the deadliest animals ever created by God.wait and hear the true stories whn he's overhrown.wait
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Armed resistance sometimes misguided
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
written by Rev Amos Kasibante, July 28, 2009
Still in response to Makanga I would say that military resistance ie Mwanga and Kabalega was ill-advised. Sometimes, it is wise to live and fight another day. The different peoples living in the region that became Uganda did not have the military organisation or resources to defeat the British colonial power and establish their independence. Collaboration was the way forward and the decision to introduce Indirect Rule was largely due to the presence of the centralised kingdom of Buganda. And now Makanga is you say Arab resistance could not have stopped the Israel settlement and imply that neither could Buganda have been the reason why the Jews were not settled in Buganda, why then do you accuse the Baganda of not having put up serious resistance against the British? My view is that Buganda's strength - and I am not demeaning other actors - prevented the British from colonising Uganda in the manner of N. Rhodesia or Kenya.
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DON'T BUY BUKEDDE & NEW VISION
written by Zziwa, July 29, 2009
written by Zziwa, July 29, 2009
Fellow Ugandans, those who are tired of 23 years of M7's rule, please don't buy government owned papers. Lets bring this government to reality check. Now M7 has addimitted that the police is militarized and he is doing it to get ready for the 2011 elections. Civil disobdiance is the way to go. Please pass on the word not to buy government own papers. Its your right not to support this corrupt government. Twakoowa!!!
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written by a guest, July 29, 2009
written by a guest, July 29, 2009
Mr. Goba, I am not afraid to apologize on behalf of the willing Baganda for those disturbing words you heard. I am not going to attempt justifying cruel words bordering to genocide. One cannot say that because some Bacholi in Obote's govt. ****ed the Baganda then Baganda should also **** the Acholi. Two wrongs can never make it right. Please accep[t my apologies. Although my aka is Anonymus, I am a muganda.
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written by Emperror, July 29, 2009
written by Emperror, July 29, 2009
I do not think that the agitation for federo has anything to do with Buganda's ability to efficiently manage national issues, rather it is a search for political (and economic) power. However, Buganda govt will have to under-go massive changes in its administrative set-up before it can be able to effectively manage Buganda itself.
Further, for those who witnessed M7's ascent to power will attest to the un-parraleled "belief" in his (and NRM's) political transformation of the politcal / economic landscape. I hasted to add similar sentiments were aired (in Buganda) when Amin Dada took to the wheel in 1971.
Moral of the story: I am SURE Buganda under Mutebi can never be a match for M7 / NRM's achievements and programs. Indeed (and God forbid) if Buganda took to the wheels of running the country, the honey-moon won't last a presidential term.
Further, for those who witnessed M7's ascent to power will attest to the un-parraleled "belief" in his (and NRM's) political transformation of the politcal / economic landscape. I hasted to add similar sentiments were aired (in Buganda) when Amin Dada took to the wheel in 1971.
Moral of the story: I am SURE Buganda under Mutebi can never be a match for M7 / NRM's achievements and programs. Indeed (and God forbid) if Buganda took to the wheels of running the country, the honey-moon won't last a presidential term.
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written by James, July 29, 2009
written by James, July 29, 2009
Buganda & Israel: Museveni and King Cyrus
Remember King Cryrus of Persia (present day Iran) in the Bible? God used King Cyrus to restore the temple of Jerusalem and to punish the disobedient people of Israel(because he feared God and God decided to use him), in a way of restoring the nation of Israel, but later fell out with it and started taking Israelites to exile and mistreating them.
In the same way, God used Museveni to restore the Kingdom of Buganda, but has now fallen out with it. Am afraid that if Museveni continues with his alleged intentions of eliminating Buganda off the map (as the Iranians want to do to Israel now), it will not be long before God removes him from power. God is simply using Museveni for His purposes for this country.
Buganda & Israel:
Buganda's position in Uganda is very similar to Israel's position in the world. As long as Israel is unstable, then this will always cause havoc for the world and all the concerned world leaders, and anything done to Israel affects the whole world. Because God placed Israel in a leadership position.
No one will care much if a county declares war on a county like Yugoslavia, but if a nation declares war on Israel, then you know that there will be much out roar.
It is the same with Buganda, God placed Buganda is a position of leadership in this country of Uganda, and you notice that which ever leader poised himself against Buganda in the past has not survived for long!
Why has it gone on and one?: In the same way the Israel question has gone on and one for thousands of years, especially on issues concerning land, so has the Buganda question of a federal system and land issues gone on and on for many years, and until these questions are answered, the world and Uganda will never be assured on long-lasting peace.
The Kampala city question: The Israelites are currently dealing with the issue of the city of Jerusalem concerning who should manage it and the adjustment of its boundaries in favor of the Palestinian Arabs. Telling Buganda to give up Kampala is like telling Israel to give up Jerusalem. You know very well that Jerusalem is the heart of Israel and Kampala is the heart of Buganda.
So what a divine coincidence that there is a row over Kampala city and who should manage it, and whether the boundaries should be expanded or not!
James
Remember King Cryrus of Persia (present day Iran) in the Bible? God used King Cyrus to restore the temple of Jerusalem and to punish the disobedient people of Israel(because he feared God and God decided to use him), in a way of restoring the nation of Israel, but later fell out with it and started taking Israelites to exile and mistreating them.
In the same way, God used Museveni to restore the Kingdom of Buganda, but has now fallen out with it. Am afraid that if Museveni continues with his alleged intentions of eliminating Buganda off the map (as the Iranians want to do to Israel now), it will not be long before God removes him from power. God is simply using Museveni for His purposes for this country.
Buganda & Israel:
Buganda's position in Uganda is very similar to Israel's position in the world. As long as Israel is unstable, then this will always cause havoc for the world and all the concerned world leaders, and anything done to Israel affects the whole world. Because God placed Israel in a leadership position.
No one will care much if a county declares war on a county like Yugoslavia, but if a nation declares war on Israel, then you know that there will be much out roar.
It is the same with Buganda, God placed Buganda is a position of leadership in this country of Uganda, and you notice that which ever leader poised himself against Buganda in the past has not survived for long!
Why has it gone on and one?: In the same way the Israel question has gone on and one for thousands of years, especially on issues concerning land, so has the Buganda question of a federal system and land issues gone on and on for many years, and until these questions are answered, the world and Uganda will never be assured on long-lasting peace.
The Kampala city question: The Israelites are currently dealing with the issue of the city of Jerusalem concerning who should manage it and the adjustment of its boundaries in favor of the Palestinian Arabs. Telling Buganda to give up Kampala is like telling Israel to give up Jerusalem. You know very well that Jerusalem is the heart of Israel and Kampala is the heart of Buganda.
So what a divine coincidence that there is a row over Kampala city and who should manage it, and whether the boundaries should be expanded or not!
James
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written by love uganda, July 29, 2009
written by love uganda, July 29, 2009
To my side i will disagree with many coments raised i.e attacking each other,the issue is simple. one person is making to fight and live u to hate each other m7 slog, what brings all of this is the
-poor planning of the country by the govt i.e industrialising kampala, administrative ministries in kpl etc. if they had left the country like the way it was we would'nt have faced all this .(p'ple are poor ) in other parts that's why there fighting for kampala a part of buganda.
-corruption,big guy (the un touchable)in the govt are enjoying over u the tax payer's wat a u benefiting out of arguements.
-education,is for the rich wat of the poor one.let,s discuss on the issue's which will help us in the future don't allow 2 be used love uganda.
-poor planning of the country by the govt i.e industrialising kampala, administrative ministries in kpl etc. if they had left the country like the way it was we would'nt have faced all this .(p'ple are poor ) in other parts that's why there fighting for kampala a part of buganda.
-corruption,big guy (the un touchable)in the govt are enjoying over u the tax payer's wat a u benefiting out of arguements.
-education,is for the rich wat of the poor one.let,s discuss on the issue's which will help us in the future don't allow 2 be used love uganda.
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written by Ssebuwufu William Edward, July 29, 2009
written by Ssebuwufu William Edward, July 29, 2009
M7 is to blame for what is happening. Why does he encourage Mengo to engage in discussions with him when he has no powers to grant their demands? The powers lie in the hands of the legislative assembly and not the executive. Talk about having a capital city in another region. Is that a crime that would lead to so many deaths? Would Kampala be the first capital city to be rolocated? Now that that so called city has become rubbish, don't you think the capital will have to be relocated for better planning? Why does M7 encourage his "nation owned" media to insult the Mengo establishment? Probably he isn't the one encouraging them but we know that in Uganda he is the final man. Why doesn't he appeal to his agents to stop that insulting game. Remember his language when he was launching the tenants association?
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written by Karyaburo, July 29, 2009
written by Karyaburo, July 29, 2009
If only the Baganda voting block could wake up this time and deny Museveni a vote come 2011 then NRM establishment would collapse and Uganda would be a peaceful place to leave in once again
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written by MTIBEZINDA, July 29, 2009
written by MTIBEZINDA, July 29, 2009
THIS IS WHY I SAID THESE MENGO FOLLOWERS HAD THEIR BRAIN FROZEN IN THE ICE AGE THEN DEFROSTED BY MUTEBI'S REURN, ONLY TO START FUNTIONING IN THE ICE AGE . IT'S REALLY SAD TO READ WHAT COMES OUT OF THEIR BRAIN, STRANGELY THEY REALLY BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY SAY. THE FACT IS; THE FIRST TREATY FOR PROTECTORATE WAS SIGNED BETWEEN MWANGA AND THE GERMAN EXPLORER MR CARL PETORS WITHOUT ANY RESISTENT AT ALL, THEN WHEN CPT LUGARD ARRIVED AFTER WARDS MWANGA SAID HE'D ALREADY SIGNED A TREATY WITH A WHITE MAN. A LETTER HAD TO SENT TO ENGLAND TO CONFIRM THAT LUGARD WAS FROM ENGLAND BEFORE ANOTHER TREATY COULD BE SIGNED BETWEEN BRITAIN AND UGANDA. WHAT RESISTENT? MWANGA WAS GIVING EVERYTHING AWAY LIKE CHRISMAST PRESENT. ....BULL!!!
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written by Ggomba, July 29, 2009
written by Ggomba, July 29, 2009
Thanks for your historical nosense. Now What's your point?. You didn't have to search that information from the internent and pretend as if you are smart. Really, I am trying to figure out your reason given the issue at hand. As far as my knowledge is concerned, Uganda was not a country by the time Capt. Lugard signed the treat. That so called country was BUGANDA. Get it.? Now go back and finish whatever turned your simple brain upside down.
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written by Opio, July 29, 2009
written by Opio, July 29, 2009
Baganda always help bring in new governments and with every government, they run in the streets and celebrate. Ultimately buganda gets discontented. When will the baganda learn that they are always used as a steping stone?
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written by a guest, July 30, 2009
written by a guest, July 30, 2009
And I dare say, Emperror may help Buganda to mobilize and vote NRM out of power since he appears to have the answers to every riddle!
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written by a guest, July 30, 2009
written by a guest, July 30, 2009
Still Mr. Ntibenzinda, what was in the treaty with Carl Peters, and in which year was this treaty signed? Remember Mutesa I died in 1884.
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written by Emperror, July 30, 2009
written by Emperror, July 30, 2009
I am not sure why you brought up my tag in this mini-thread, however your x-mas came early this year! Like the say, HE WHO DARES WINS. For the right remuneration (with armed guards to boot) I will consider your HELPING Buganda out of this tight spot.
I should add, though I am a Muganda, I am neither a fan of Mutebi the person nor Mutebi the monarch. Its a personal thing, but if you can see beyond that, then a deal you may have for yourself.
I should add, though I am a Muganda, I am neither a fan of Mutebi the person nor Mutebi the monarch. Its a personal thing, but if you can see beyond that, then a deal you may have for yourself.
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written by Emperror, July 30, 2009
written by Emperror, July 30, 2009
Last time I checked, Mutesa I was lost in the forests. Tell us anonymouse, did you witness his death in 1884?
(I will not be surprised that you are a Muganda conk!)
(I will not be surprised that you are a Muganda conk!)
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written by martin carlos, July 30, 2009
written by martin carlos, July 30, 2009
in the first place, i think the country is being held at ransom for an error in judgement caused by the desire to stay in power. the constitution has also been compromised, how do we have kingdoms in a republic..and have they not overstepped their mandate by attempting to influence the political climate of the country..sadly te president should have foreseen this but with his advisors....all this is pushing uganda precariously close to chaos far beyond 1966..
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written by martin carlos, July 30, 2009
written by martin carlos, July 30, 2009
actually uganda has more than one constitution...and dare i say that the one we take to be...is not... it is flawed from the very title
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goba and makanga
written by omuganda, July 30, 2009
written by omuganda, July 30, 2009
there is something that confuse my understanding. many ple including m7 argue that baganda originated from acholis, how there is no similarities the vocabularies of the luos and luganda. moving through countries like drc, tanzania, malawi, zambia, angola, botswana ,zimbabwe and south africa all tribes there speak dialects closer to luganda and in fact a muganda can understand a zulu quicker but will never pick a word in langi or acholi and their dinka brothers. to makanga u may be hard core upc but forget our political differences and look at the brighter side of bugandas demands and woes. remember today is me tomo its u.
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written by apollo, July 30, 2009
written by apollo, July 30, 2009
I have read all the submissions, and the question is one: How have we Ugandans (if at all we still are) come to this point? I mean going ethenic; something is wrong. Im calling for a boycot of all tribalistic ideologies
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He came by the gun,he will go by the gun
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 30, 2009
written by Seezi Sewagaba, July 30, 2009
Those who think that Museveni will give up power after losing the 2011 elections are naive beyond belief.Every trick in the book will be used to ensure that Museveni remains President.Stepping down will mean prosecution for the crimes he has committed.The whole regime is guilty of many offences.The only person Museveni can trust as his successor is Salim Saley or his son Muhozi.He came by the gun,he will go buy the gun.All the top five generals in the army are Banyankole.I can not see these generals allow another person from anther tribe to accede to the throne of power, because it will mean loss of privileges and by this I mean stealing public money with impunity.
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written by Roggers, July 30, 2009
written by Roggers, July 30, 2009
Not really undermining anybody, some Baganda icome from a very confused specie. First of all, the developments in Buganda are not for baganda, 70% of the land they call buganda land is owned by non baganda. Why are u guys wasting alot of time on Buganda. Lets get oil and so that at least we improve on our roads, constant power supply
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written by Roggers, July 30, 2009
written by Roggers, July 30, 2009
Other than wasting time on this buganda issue. Sometimes they take themselves as if they have the power to do anything in Uganda. I advise the president to even abolish all Kingdoms because they are thorns in the fresh of development. Why cant buganda emulate Tooro which is peaceful, they think they are.....We are just tired of buganda issues taking our presidents time
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To Goba
written by Imhotep, July 30, 2009
written by Imhotep, July 30, 2009
Goba i do not know the books you read, but certainly the white man has played his tricks on you, since he wrote most of the books you read! No Jews were expelled from Egypt my friend. This is a myth that was created for the black man to feel sorry for the white man. The people i have read about were the Syksos(not sure of spelling). This history is only coming to light after almost 6000 yrs having been hidden from us(kemetnu.com). Please feel free to quote me some objectie history books. Whenever you read a white man's book, i suggest you read it with a pinch of salt, even the bible.
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Continuation
written by Imhotep, July 30, 2009
written by Imhotep, July 30, 2009
The Luos might have come from the North, but so did many other peoples. Actually we all started from the rift valley and went North, then back South! Even if the Luo taught the Ganda the art of Kingdom, it matters not now. The black man gave the white man his civilisation, we need it back. This business of ping pong about the Ganda is shortsighted in my opinion. These are a people that will selfdetermine there destiny no matter the obstacles. They will trailblaze the path back to the future for every other tribe. We need a paradigm shift in believing in ourselves and stop putting others down. We only stifle our development! In the mean time you need new history books to tell you the true version of things from a black man's perspective not a white man's one.
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written by AK, July 30, 2009
written by AK, July 30, 2009
It is not good to start fantasizing the way you are doing.
Are you trying to say that you will be the perpetrator of the war against Museveni?
It is only cowards like you who run at the sound of a gunshot that make such childish remarks.
I've taken time to read these comments but about 75% are tribalistic.
First Banyakoles in govt must stop corruption,and baganda must stop chauvinism.See you later.Bye
Are you trying to say that you will be the perpetrator of the war against Museveni?
It is only cowards like you who run at the sound of a gunshot that make such childish remarks.
I've taken time to read these comments but about 75% are tribalistic.
First Banyakoles in govt must stop corruption,and baganda must stop chauvinism.See you later.Bye
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written by MTIBEZINDA, July 30, 2009
written by MTIBEZINDA, July 30, 2009
IT'S COMPLETE MADNESS TO SAY THAT THE ACHOLI ARE SO CRUEL EVEN TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER TRIBE IN THIS COUNTRY, WHEN WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT KABAKA HIMSELF CHOSE A FELLOW MUGANDA AND HAD HIM SHORT DEAD A GUARD TO TEST THE VERY FIRST GUN THAT WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY EUROPIAN.
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INTIMIDATION BY M7
written by Ggomba, July 30, 2009
written by Ggomba, July 30, 2009
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Makanga!
written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
Thank you very much for this vital information which most of us have heard from the HORSES mouths.
There is a one retired/defected Col. Mande somewhere in europe who has a full report on the Luwero bush war and activities, and also by a private named MASAABA who was wisked away some times back.
Do you all realize how long Museveni and the Banyarwandans had been doing this in Uganda? Whenever some one is murdered with machetes/panga, or axe, this is always signatory to the RWANDESE. Those people don't like to use guns, they love toctures.
There is a one retired/defected Col. Mande somewhere in europe who has a full report on the Luwero bush war and activities, and also by a private named MASAABA who was wisked away some times back.
Do you all realize how long Museveni and the Banyarwandans had been doing this in Uganda? Whenever some one is murdered with machetes/panga, or axe, this is always signatory to the RWANDESE. Those people don't like to use guns, they love toctures.
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IT IS SO SAD!!
written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
You see, it is those individuals like Seezi Sewagaba who have refused to see what Museveni has been doing to weaken the Acholis in order to stay in power this long. Museveni is, and has been the one ****ing people all over the great lakes region since the late 1970s, and he took over from the FRONASA who were mainly from southern and western Uganda. It is not Kony who is ****ing people in Acholi, it is Museveni's tricks. The cutting and mutilating of people's organs is the practice of Museveni not the Acholis.
Read other newspapers apart from the vision.
Seezi, I don't think that you are a Muganda, if you are, then you must be one of those eating from Museveni. ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT Bagandas must accept the fact that there are other humans who are more civilised than they are and not all Bagandas are civilised, there is so much deparities between Bagandas in form of wealths, there is the VERY POOR/UNEDUCATED and the VERY RICH/EDUCATED. The poor are oppressed and are rarely seen they only come out to do some dirty politics for the rich.There is no middle class. In other tribes, there are rich, middle, and poor people. Like when Obote died, the ones who were dancing were the poor ones because a certain rich Muganda had promised to slaughter some cows for them if they danced in celebrations of the death of Obote. Most rich and educated Bagandas know their history.
Read other newspapers apart from the vision.
Seezi, I don't think that you are a Muganda, if you are, then you must be one of those eating from Museveni. ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT Bagandas must accept the fact that there are other humans who are more civilised than they are and not all Bagandas are civilised, there is so much deparities between Bagandas in form of wealths, there is the VERY POOR/UNEDUCATED and the VERY RICH/EDUCATED. The poor are oppressed and are rarely seen they only come out to do some dirty politics for the rich.There is no middle class. In other tribes, there are rich, middle, and poor people. Like when Obote died, the ones who were dancing were the poor ones because a certain rich Muganda had promised to slaughter some cows for them if they danced in celebrations of the death of Obote. Most rich and educated Bagandas know their history.
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written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
RICH/EDUCATED. The poor are mostly used by the rich to do some dirty politics for them, eg. when Obote died, it was the very poor people who were promised meat who were dancing, and again, Museveni used the poor in Luweero against Obote's gov't. The rich in Buganda over shadows the poor. Most tribes have RICH-MIDDLE CLASS-POOR people.
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written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
written by GOBA, July 30, 2009
Thank you, it is people like you who teaches others that not everybody in a society is bad. I speak for the Acholis because I have spend most of my life with them, they're truelly nice people, with them, what you see is what you get as far as appearances; they will let you know how they feel, they are honest, they don't steal, and they are kind but they are fighters for what is rightfully their's. The Rwandese came to Uganda and realised that if they don't divide the Bagandas and the Acholi by making the Bagandas hate Acholis, they would not be able to control Uganda.
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written by omuganda, July 30, 2009
written by omuganda, July 30, 2009
I look at the past,
In contemplating my future.
Kisenyi's future is bleak.
In looking at the present,
Silhouettes of my past forms.
How great it was!!!
From abyss a star rose in north
Illuminated the befogged democracy.
Papa and pals thought, a good omen.
Shoo in hisses of love, my past burnt.
Left stranded in present and mired future.
Yet in another darkness, unknown star,
It beamed into hopeless souls.
Taata gleefully left for paradise.
But as he thought in contrary.
The unknown star,
The son of northern star,
Unknowingly it shone from abyss
As papa and pals were tilted vertically!!!
Uuuh democracy.
In contemplating my future.
Kisenyi's future is bleak.
In looking at the present,
Silhouettes of my past forms.
How great it was!!!
From abyss a star rose in north
Illuminated the befogged democracy.
Papa and pals thought, a good omen.
Shoo in hisses of love, my past burnt.
Left stranded in present and mired future.
Yet in another darkness, unknown star,
It beamed into hopeless souls.
Taata gleefully left for paradise.
But as he thought in contrary.
The unknown star,
The son of northern star,
Unknowingly it shone from abyss
As papa and pals were tilted vertically!!!
Uuuh democracy.
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AK- The Chicken
written by Ggomba, July 30, 2009
written by Ggomba, July 30, 2009
AK, whatever your name is, you cannot and repeat you cannot intimidate me with your childish sparm e-mails. If you cannot submit your e-mail just like the rest of us here, you must be a serial coward hidding behind independent magazine. You are telling me that I am going to run just hearing the sound of a gun? Tell you what, you must be a real bozoo. why don't you man up and submit your e-mail so that people can respond to your silly sparm e-mails? Again, some of us can find out your actual e-mail by tracing the origin of the thread. If you don't like what people write up here, its high time that you get out of this business.
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Mwanga's resistance
written by DAVID, July 31, 2009
written by DAVID, July 31, 2009
Rev Kasibante,the resistance of Mwanga was mild/cynical.First,he resisted after the British tricked him in the Anglo-Ganda treaty of the early 1890s into surrendering the independence of his Kingdom to them and secondly,he resisted due to religious conundrums that existed at the time of the politico-religious wars in Buganda,in the late 1890s.
On the otherhand,the likes of Kabalega right from his inception onto the political helm of Bunyoro kingdom in the 1870s resisted the British colonial rule eg he warded off threats from Samuel Baker at Masindi in 1872,not forgetting battles with Gen Charles Gordon.Kabalega also remained an "itching thorn" in the toe of the Egyptian Emperor,Khedive Ismail,who was trying to encroach on the Bunyoro Kingdom.
Otherwise,unlike other fellas in this forum who pretend to be more Baganda than others(due to differences in political opinion),i applaud yo discussion.Keep it up
On the otherhand,the likes of Kabalega right from his inception onto the political helm of Bunyoro kingdom in the 1870s resisted the British colonial rule eg he warded off threats from Samuel Baker at Masindi in 1872,not forgetting battles with Gen Charles Gordon.Kabalega also remained an "itching thorn" in the toe of the Egyptian Emperor,Khedive Ismail,who was trying to encroach on the Bunyoro Kingdom.
Otherwise,unlike other fellas in this forum who pretend to be more Baganda than others(due to differences in political opinion),i applaud yo discussion.Keep it up
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written by Emperror, July 31, 2009
written by Emperror, July 31, 2009
It is not un-common that when you talk too much you forget even the most basic facts about life.
Gomba, -AK did NOT send you spam, the content of the alleged spam is actually a reply to a comment you made. Clearly, you selected "notify" next to your e-mail when submiting the comment.
Male less noise and the basics in life will remain real!
Gomba, -AK did NOT send you spam, the content of the alleged spam is actually a reply to a comment you made. Clearly, you selected "notify" next to your e-mail when submiting the comment.
Male less noise and the basics in life will remain real!
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written by Apollos, July 31, 2009
written by Apollos, July 31, 2009
Guys we all need to know our contribution to Uganda, baganda are called to teach, advise and direct and trade, our brothers in the north are called to defend and our brothers in the west are to lead and easterners are to manage. challenge me if Im wrong, so wee need each other
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written by Apollos, July 31, 2009
written by Apollos, July 31, 2009
And by the way other regions should know that buganda has evolved as a society over centuries, meaning that if as a people they feel Federal is the way to, they are speaking out of growth not out of sentiments. The sooner we join them the better. lets leave them to direct. Coz without buganda without Uganda.
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written by Akhenaten, July 31, 2009
written by Akhenaten, July 31, 2009
Seezi Sewagaba,
The Acholi’s have never collectively as a group fought any other ethnic group in Uganda. Some ignorant and brainwashed Bantu’s like yourself have bought into NRM/A propaganda and believe that Acholi’s were responsible for the loss of life during the NRM/A terrorist led insurgency of 1981 – 1985. The government in power at the time was the UPC. Uganda had a national army UNLA. The UNLA was dominated by Acholi’s. It was not an Acholi army but Ugandan Army and any Ugandan was free to join. In 1981 Museveni launched his terrorist led insurgency in Luwero. The UNLA as the national army had a duty to protect the population. UNLA fought on behalf of Uganda and not Acholi. Why did the Acholi dominate the army? It is due to historic reasons. The British colonialist mainly recruited the recruited the Acholi into the armed forces. In 1979 Tanzanians and exiled Ugandans attacked Uganda and overthrew the dictatorship of Idi Amin and gave Ugandans back their freedom. The Acholi contributed significantly to this effort. According to UPC/Obote it was the NRA who are responsible for the atrocities committed in Luwero. NRA used to disguise themselves as government soldiers then commit atrocities on civilians to turn the population against Obote. The same tactics have also been used in the conflict with the LRA in northern Uganda. Not everyone who died in Luwero was a Muganda. Luwero was a cosmopolitan area composed of many ethnicities. If Museveni loved the Baganda so much why didn’t he start his insurgency in Mbarara knowing full well how destructive war can be?
If the UNLA was really out to target Baganda all districts in Buganda would have been very insecure. The fact is the UNLA contained the NRA in Luwero that is why the other areas of Buganda were not as bad as Luwero. The UNLA had the means and capability to decimate Baganda but dint because that was never on their agenda!
The Acholi’s have never collectively as a group fought any other ethnic group in Uganda. Some ignorant and brainwashed Bantu’s like yourself have bought into NRM/A propaganda and believe that Acholi’s were responsible for the loss of life during the NRM/A terrorist led insurgency of 1981 – 1985. The government in power at the time was the UPC. Uganda had a national army UNLA. The UNLA was dominated by Acholi’s. It was not an Acholi army but Ugandan Army and any Ugandan was free to join. In 1981 Museveni launched his terrorist led insurgency in Luwero. The UNLA as the national army had a duty to protect the population. UNLA fought on behalf of Uganda and not Acholi. Why did the Acholi dominate the army? It is due to historic reasons. The British colonialist mainly recruited the recruited the Acholi into the armed forces. In 1979 Tanzanians and exiled Ugandans attacked Uganda and overthrew the dictatorship of Idi Amin and gave Ugandans back their freedom. The Acholi contributed significantly to this effort. According to UPC/Obote it was the NRA who are responsible for the atrocities committed in Luwero. NRA used to disguise themselves as government soldiers then commit atrocities on civilians to turn the population against Obote. The same tactics have also been used in the conflict with the LRA in northern Uganda. Not everyone who died in Luwero was a Muganda. Luwero was a cosmopolitan area composed of many ethnicities. If Museveni loved the Baganda so much why didn’t he start his insurgency in Mbarara knowing full well how destructive war can be?
If the UNLA was really out to target Baganda all districts in Buganda would have been very insecure. The fact is the UNLA contained the NRA in Luwero that is why the other areas of Buganda were not as bad as Luwero. The UNLA had the means and capability to decimate Baganda but dint because that was never on their agenda!
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Acholi’s have never fought any ethnic group in Ug
written by Akhenaten, July 31, 2009
written by Akhenaten, July 31, 2009
In 1979 Tanzanians and exiled Ugandans attacked Uganda and overthrew the dictatorship of Idi Amin and gave Ugandans back their freedom. The Acholi contributed significantly to this effort. According to UPC/Obote it was the NRA who are responsible for the atrocities committed in Luwero. NRA used to disguise themselves as government soldiers then commit atrocities on civilians to turn the population against Obote. The same tactics have also been used in the conflict with the LRA in northern Uganda. Not everyone who died in Luwero was a Muganda. Luwero was a cosmopolitan area composed of many ethnicities. If Museveni loved the Baganda so much why didn’t he start his insurgency in Mbarara knowing full well how destructive war can be?
If the UNLA was really out to target Baganda all districts in Buganda would have been very insecure. The fact is the UNLA contained the NRA in Luwero that is why the other areas of Buganda were not as bad as Luwero. The UNLA had the means and capability to decimate Baganda but dint because that was never on their agenda!
If the UNLA was really out to target Baganda all districts in Buganda would have been very insecure. The fact is the UNLA contained the NRA in Luwero that is why the other areas of Buganda were not as bad as Luwero. The UNLA had the means and capability to decimate Baganda but dint because that was never on their agenda!
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Acholi’s have never fought any ethnic group in Ug
written by Akhenaten, July 31, 2009
written by Akhenaten, July 31, 2009
If the UNLA was really out to target Baganda all districts in Buganda would have been very insecure. The fact is the UNLA contained the NRA in Luwero that is why the other areas of Buganda were not as bad as Luwero. The UNLA had the means and capability to decimate Baganda but dint because that was never on their agenda!
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written by Juma, July 31, 2009
written by Juma, July 31, 2009
The land belongs to all Ugandans as long as its part of Uganda. You 'Baganda who gave you that land' The land should benefit all ugandansnot 'Baganda'
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written by nakamatte, August 01, 2009
written by nakamatte, August 01, 2009
hello omuganda, we should all wake up to accept the fact that we hold ugandan passports and not buganda passports. this is our country and we should be proactive to embrace the 21st century. we cannot go back to the dark ages where myth and fact go hand in hand. Myths like the kabaka is born with 2 umblical cords....my foot!! we all want accountability but alas! no accountability from Mengo and the Kabaka. That the treasury in Mengo is divine, enkuluze tetunulwamu. Wake up, we all believe that divinity is of God and not the Kabaka. He is just a human being with all the waeknesses of human nature. He loves lazing around with women while his subjects languish in Poverty and sleep in wetlands like Bwaise.
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written by nakamatte, August 01, 2009
written by nakamatte, August 01, 2009
Mengo is busy selling off the 350 sq. miles that was given back to the Kabaka. This is the land that includes Ndejje-Namasuba, Busabala, Mutungo-Kigo, Buziga, Salaama Munyonyo including Sudhir's Speke Resort Munyonyo, Konge and Kyamula, parts of Katwe, Makindye and Kisenyi. All poor Baganda will be evicted by their beloved Kabaka who wants nothing to do with the poor. He will continue even demanding the little that you have in the names of Certificates, ebivvulu, amakula and evicting you from your bibanja! He is a leech that will bleed you bare till your death. So, wake up!
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Calm!
written by Ugandan Patriot, August 04, 2009
written by Ugandan Patriot, August 04, 2009
It's sad that Ugandans still think of their chiefdoms in this era n time. Elsewhere, countries, companies and groups are merging to work better and attain high things. Why fight over little when we can work better? We need to reason and think maturely to progress from the backwardness we live in but preserve what good we have. I cry for mother Uganda where it's children lack the simplest of visions n insight. In the west, politics is run for the people, by their desires. Here, we run our lives according to personal and political desires of the few!
FOR GOD AND MY COUNTRY
FOR GOD AND MY COUNTRY
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written by Andrew, August 04, 2009
written by Andrew, August 04, 2009
Makanga, You are spot on. And the clique with the courage to say it in Mutebi's eyes is the one in charge in mengo. Even Walusimbi is considered a 'foreigner'.
It is absurd that the rest of the baganda have refused to accept the truth. Is it an inborn trait that anything they introduce to them as the king is accepted without question. Mutebi is an idiot, but he must be thinking the rest of the baganda arereally thick in the head.
It is absurd that the rest of the baganda have refused to accept the truth. Is it an inborn trait that anything they introduce to them as the king is accepted without question. Mutebi is an idiot, but he must be thinking the rest of the baganda arereally thick in the head.
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A Luo has never been a Muganda king.
written by Andrew, August 04, 2009
written by Andrew, August 04, 2009
Seezi, even the present king is a luo, you imbecile. Have you never heard of Daudi Ochieng? He fathered your idiotic king. You just gave him a kiganda name. If you want it to reflect his lineage the rename him Ochieng Junior.
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Convinient Lies
written by Deo Mukasa, August 05, 2009
written by Deo Mukasa, August 05, 2009
Thank you Anonymous for this comment.Wamucoori's problem is not ignorance,it's simply hatred for the Baganda who have always sucrificed for this fake thing Uganda!However,for those who want to cross to the right side of history should know that it was never King Freddie who messed up.It was all about Obote's aboragation of the 1962 Constitution.P'lse remember that Buganda was only cagged with other parts of Uganda through the 1962 consttution.Therefore,by aboragating the said constitution,Obote was simply dismantling the fake thing Uganda,hence the need to tell him off to do his business elsewhere.So Wamucoori and all your likes,please know the fact that it was Obote who started the confrotation not the Kabaka.The Kabaka was just reacting to Obote's treasonous acts.
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Cry the beloved Country!!
written by beemee, August 05, 2009
written by beemee, August 05, 2009
i have read thru all the above threads and have been most perturbed by the fact that most of u guys reason like above average morons!! does Uganda have a learning disorder curse or are our people simply stupid??
Buganda has legitimate demands but IMO, it ought to popularise its federo demands first and also explain how that federo shd work bse even most of its loudspeakers like the motor mouthed Nambooze dont seem to clearly grasp the very concept for which they claim they can lay down their lives for!!
in comes the M7 qn, this guy shouldnt be understimated bse most Mengo people are on his payroll anyway. as an independent observer largely immune to popular sentiments of Uganda's politicks, i dare say that until the opposition unites and fronts one candidate come 2011, M7 will still call the shots...
but rather all the above people like the so called Anonymous, omuganda etc are busy playing into M7 mesh trap of divide and rule....come on u people.
Buganda has legitimate demands but IMO, it ought to popularise its federo demands first and also explain how that federo shd work bse even most of its loudspeakers like the motor mouthed Nambooze dont seem to clearly grasp the very concept for which they claim they can lay down their lives for!!
in comes the M7 qn, this guy shouldnt be understimated bse most Mengo people are on his payroll anyway. as an independent observer largely immune to popular sentiments of Uganda's politicks, i dare say that until the opposition unites and fronts one candidate come 2011, M7 will still call the shots...
but rather all the above people like the so called Anonymous, omuganda etc are busy playing into M7 mesh trap of divide and rule....come on u people.
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written by YAHOOFAN, August 07, 2009
written by YAHOOFAN, August 07, 2009
it seems its okay for any one to insult the Baganda and expect us to develope our love for Uganda in the process!or to be 'beaten'into submission and thereby develope patriotism!ofcourse this is false..we are right to bear allegiance to the Kabaka as our human sovereign..just like other tribes have their human sovereigns.Tribes are in fact and in law nations.You can only sustainably retain these nations as a part of Uganda and happily so with consensus.For Buganda the minimum requirement is a federal status(as well as for those other rgions that wish for the same).
The alternative only fuels seccessionist tendencies-and rightly assome people think they can hold a people at ransom...ofcourse,the ball is in the courts of whoever is in state house tonight.
The alternative only fuels seccessionist tendencies-and rightly assome people think they can hold a people at ransom...ofcourse,the ball is in the courts of whoever is in state house tonight.
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written by YAHOOFAN, August 07, 2009
written by YAHOOFAN, August 07, 2009
U SEE..PEOPLE HAVE THEIR AGENDAS AND PEOPLE REACT DIFFERENTLY...BUT MY LOVE FOR UGANDA DECREASES THE MORE I READ OPINIONS LIKE YOURSELF THAT ARE INSENSITIVE TO BAGANDA AND BUGANDA.SECCESSION MAYBE THE FUTURE WHATEVER THE PRICE BECAUSE A PEOPLE CAN ONLY TAKE SO MUCH.NOTHING RURAL ABOUT ME..IVE BEEN TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS,A GRADUATE,STAY IN A LEADING URBAN CENTRE..AND YET MY FEELINGS ARE ABSOLUTE.
IT SEEMS THAT EVEN THE INDEPENDENT HAS BECOME A HATEFUL MEDIA LATELY!
IT SEEMS THAT EVEN THE INDEPENDENT HAS BECOME A HATEFUL MEDIA LATELY!
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written by YAHOOFAN, August 07, 2009
written by YAHOOFAN, August 07, 2009
Deo...time will convict you and your hate.But a word of caution,give the Kabaka his respect...u can exercise your hate and vice on the rest of us Baganda...iam 23 and hold this position dear.
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written by SIMON Peter Assimwe, August 07, 2009
written by SIMON Peter Assimwe, August 07, 2009
wy do people always misunderstand the Baganda and yet they have always been so welcoming.why doesnt m7 develope other regions also..which are our homelands?The demands made by trhe Baganda are progressive if one analyses tem with an open mind.They are what people generally aspire for.My view and that of some of my tribemates i interact with is that a reactionaryfew set us on a collision course not only with fate but also with the the Baganda.The Jews,Blacks in US,the Tutsi in Rwanda,Bosnias case etc..show us that the Baganda will achieve their aspirations.Why dont we learn from whites who dont wait for disaster and negotiate e.g in S.Africa?but our leaders mislead us to believe that an AK47 can thwart the legitimate aspirations of any people.
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written by TIMOTHY KYAGULANYI, August 07, 2009
written by TIMOTHY KYAGULANYI, August 07, 2009
THX Joe..for your sober opinion..although the independent is these days also inflamatory calling Baganda leaders an establishment etc.i thk we need to listen to each other more...otherwise these demands dont go away..they only take different forms...and the world is full of examples.God bless
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Mr Matsiko you got tit wroing
written by Mukalazi, August 08, 2009
written by Mukalazi, August 08, 2009
I think the writer here has to check his notes regarding the events that led to the problems of the 1966 catastrophe otherwise you cannot compare the two scenarios. In fact the whole artical needs total revamping to make the discussion more relebant. No wondert that majority of the peopole above are spending the time in totoall irrelevant talk because I assume they lacked a clear focus/gist of the matter.
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Mutebi is not as dense as you think
written by S.Sewagaba, August 09, 2009
written by S.Sewagaba, August 09, 2009
If Mutebi is so dense,how did he manage to go to Oxford, an exclusive University to which very few people qualify to go?Although he never passed his law exams,Iam at least impressed that he went to Oxford.This is a University for Heads of States,to which most British Prime Ministers have been.So our King is not as dense as you think.
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written by S.Sewagaba, August 10, 2009
written by S.Sewagaba, August 10, 2009
Iam sorry,Mutebi went to Cambridge and not Oxford. Prince Charles also went there.So the fact that he qualified to go there, is impreesive enough not to label him an idiot.Only DNA can convince us that he is Ochieng's son.Iknow many people are jealous of him.So you are forgiven.
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Andrew is just jealous of Mutebi
written by S.Sewagaba, August 10, 2009
written by S.Sewagaba, August 10, 2009
You are just jealous of Mutebi.Whether you like him or not,you will remain omukopi.You will never attain his greatness.No idiot has ever qualified to go to Cambridge, but Mutebi did.You yourself cannot qualify to go to Cambridge even if you sit the exams for ten years.So shut up.
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written by mutesasira, August 11, 2009
written by mutesasira, August 11, 2009
is this emperor fellow a muganda like his claimin?weddira ki ssebo coz a true muganda regardless of any party u belong to can never speak ill abt the king so mr tell us ur true tribe oli munyarwanda? from mutesasira
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Omuganda yaani?
written by Mukalazi, August 12, 2009
written by Mukalazi, August 12, 2009
Mr Mutesasira,
Ssi buli amanyi oluganda nti abeera muganda. NAYE OMUGANDA TUMULABIRA KU MPISA zE ENNUNGI. KASITA OLABA OMUNTU NGA AKOZESA OLULIMI OLUSIWUUFU MANYIRAWO NTI OYO YETEKAYO BWETEESI. KATI BEEBO BOLABA NGA OBUGANDA BABWAGALAKO MANYA NA MIZIRO!! EBYAFFE TEBABYAGALA, KABAKA TEBAWAMWGALA, NE VALUES ZETWETTANIRA BO TEBAZIRIIKO.
Ssi buli amanyi oluganda nti abeera muganda. NAYE OMUGANDA TUMULABIRA KU MPISA zE ENNUNGI. KASITA OLABA OMUNTU NGA AKOZESA OLULIMI OLUSIWUUFU MANYIRAWO NTI OYO YETEKAYO BWETEESI. KATI BEEBO BOLABA NGA OBUGANDA BABWAGALAKO MANYA NA MIZIRO!! EBYAFFE TEBABYAGALA, KABAKA TEBAWAMWGALA, NE VALUES ZETWETTANIRA BO TEBAZIRIIKO.
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written by Emperror, August 12, 2009
written by Emperror, August 12, 2009
More pertinent is are you?
Unfortunately for you, I do not adore Mutebi, he is after all just a human being, however, that does not negate my being a muganda. BTW I do not subscribe to any political party, however, that is neither here nor there when it comes to Mutebi's stupidness.
Unfortunately for you, I do not adore Mutebi, he is after all just a human being, however, that does not negate my being a muganda. BTW I do not subscribe to any political party, however, that is neither here nor there when it comes to Mutebi's stupidness.
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Mengo cannot bribe MPs
written by S.Sewagaba, August 15, 2009
written by S.Sewagaba, August 15, 2009
Mengo does not have the money to bribe MPs in Parliament with five million shillings each to change the constitution, in order to relocate the capital, but Museveni can use the tax-payers money to change the constitution through bribery of MPs as he did with the lifting of term limits. If Mengo had such money, they could easily bribe our MPs to change the constitution to relocate the capital. Kampala has turned into a curse rather a blessing to the Baganda.
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written by kabayekka, August 27, 2009
written by kabayekka, August 27, 2009
The consititutional boycott is picking up soon in administration, trade and transport. The universal declaration affirms: No Taxation without Representation. Good luck to those who will join.
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Madness!
written by Crackanalyst, September 14, 2009
written by Crackanalyst, September 14, 2009
If the constitution asserts that the Kabaka is the titular head of all the districts in the Buganda region, Government does not need to wrack its brain for a solution.
1. Arrest the Ssabanyala for threatening violence.
2. Provide assurance of security for the Kabaka's trip to Kayunga district.
1. Arrest the Ssabanyala for threatening violence.
2. Provide assurance of security for the Kabaka's trip to Kayunga district.
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BAGANDA
written by SHISA ROBERT, October 01, 2009
written by SHISA ROBERT, October 01, 2009
Baganda hate themselves most, Baganda rejected Ben Kiwanuka, a Muganda wrote the 1967 constitution, many Baganda presidents failed to return federo/kingship, ssemwogerere got a landslide in mbale but baganda failed him in his home area, a muganda is the speaker, another one is the prime minister, another is a vice president etc. talk about all industries being relocated to buganda, the jobs in kampala dominated by baganda.
what do these people want. if you wake up and speak the truth then ugandans will support you.
what do these people want. if you wake up and speak the truth then ugandans will support you.
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Emperror
written by Jay, October 16, 2009
written by Jay, October 16, 2009
I havent read anything meaningful from the so called emporror. He is an idiot.
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written by Watcher, October 16, 2009
written by Watcher, October 16, 2009
He is the only guy who misses the point and never makes it.
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Buganda
written by Test, November 04, 2009
written by Test, November 04, 2009
Bambi, others areas or regions cannot do without Buganda. They need Buganda to exist. Otherwise places like Karamoja will in stone age. The Acholis would still be fruit gatherers. So please Buganda is Uganda and Uganda is Buganda. Poor primitive tribes
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Power corrupts
written by mike lagos, January 03, 2010
written by mike lagos, January 03, 2010
Every rule has its end. Uganda also learnt a few things from Kenyas last election. This time round Ugandas opposition better unite.
Also the shouldnt go to the election without making sure the electoral body is independent.
www.africaupdates.com
Also the shouldnt go to the election without making sure the electoral body is independent.
www.africaupdates.com
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