Comments for When victims apologise to the executioner at http://www.independent.co.ug , comment 1 to 44 out of 20 comments http://www.independent.co.ug Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:22:24 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-27362 niike shoes[url][/url] jordan shoes - shoes4world Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:50:00 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24074 My only concern is/was the anger, greed and carelessness with which every step was taken. In order words the unjust means to an unjust end. You see Mugisha, only fools without moral conscience will buy your reverse psychology. I know you will label this inciting the people. No. Intelligent people think and make judgment for themselves. - Lakwena Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:31:43 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24073 MUGISHA, I have no steam to vent. I am sober like a judge. I respond to flowed submission so that no one gets away with spin and inhumanity to humanity. To scare away people from exposing crime against humanity, you plug them onto Islam, Alquaida or terrorism. Look, I am not the one who "CAUSED" the genocide in Rwanda and across DRC. Let those who caused and executed it live with the guilt and pathology. I am not the one who shot down Habyarimana's plane that triggered and incensed the Rwandese; who were threatened by invading countrymen, backed by Ugandan mercenaries . - Lakwena Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:29:53 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24066 Lakwena u are indeed Lakwena and u couldnt have a better name and/or a better way of looking at things. With all the passion and time u have spent reacting to each and every comment being made here, its clear that no amount of reason can change ur prejudice. This applied to Lakwena or indeed alqaida who believe that who ever does not convert to islam is an infidel and hence deserves death. Who else would join u in tolerating that for fear of being killed by Alquaida. Would u condemn the victim for being killed for defying Alquaida's directives. U can go ahead and vent ur steam! - MUGISHA Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:29:45 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24058 MUGISHA, a warning is not an intention to commit a crime! I am appealing to reason not emotion. You are the people who don't want to take responsibility for your bad judgment and crime. But instead try to deflect or reverse the blame on the people who point out you grave errors. If in 1993, Museveni and Kagame- RPF took Bagosora warning seriously then the genocide wouldn't have happened. Rather you prefer to blame Bagosora because Museveni and Kagame did not heed to a deadly warning. Museveni and Kagame just wanted raw power and they got it at the price of 3 million lives. That is bloody and dirty power not worth defending! Please Mugisha, genocide does not happen out of the blue. If you are afraid of genocide then don't create conditions that precipitate it. - Lakwena Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:46:28 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24054 Where is the difference between BAGOSORA and Lakwena? They are both intellectuals. Bagosora is quoted to have said in 1993 after one round of negociations with the RPF in Arusha, that if RPF doesnt stop fighting, he was going to organise an apocalipsy aka Genocide back in Rwanda. Lakwena seems to justify the Genocide of an entire community simply because there are people who were resisting the injustices by the then Government. Ugandans shd watch out against their own Bagosora in the making. - MUGISHA Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:52:40 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24053 I think we agree on some of your points but I still fail to see how the minority's interests are served by spending the scarce resources on investigating how the architect of the genocide was killed. Rwanda was in a state of war and Habyaramina was a Commander in Chief of one of the two fighting parties and hence a legitimate target. So, to the victims of the genocide who killed and how Habyarimana died is inconsequencial. I think Andew's concern is not the economic value of the investigation but rather its moral value. To put it bluntly why bother to prove to the French and their minions that you didn't kill Habyarimana as if you were responsible for his security? Please read the article again before engaging in sloganeering. - safali Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:11:32 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24052 What if Museveni rigs the 2011 election again? Should Ugandans go to the bush as he did in 1981? What if he didn't go to the bush, the sequence of historical events would have been completely different. May be he and Kagame would not presidents now. But we would not be arguing over who shot down Habyarimana's plane and subsequent genocide in Rwanda and the Great Lake region. If you are human enough "what if" matters! - Lakwena Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:22:43 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24051 Mr. Mugwanya Solomon, self-interest (motivation) versus social or public interest determines whether an act is for the lessor or greater good. Like for example, there are two types of courage: one is blind or unconscious and gets people killed. The other one is conscious and saves lives. The former courage is the NRA-RPF juvenile type that happened in Luwero, extended to Rwanda, Northern Uganda, DRC and Sudan; where millions of innocent people lost their lives. The latter is for example that of Mandela alias ANC type of courage that saved millions of South Africans Black and White lives. If Mandela and ANC acted foolishly, South Africa would have been the horror of the 20th and 21st century. "What if" is part of a constructive process. - Lakwena Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:14:04 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24049 Lakwena, let me try again: "What if" in this case is a purely academic question. For mind-stimulative purposes it may be useful, but the effect of such an exercise in practical terms (i.e. understanding where Rwanda is now) I think is still pretty much of no value. Regardless of the "remote causes" (and there is no denying them), the ingredients come 1990 were such that in invasion was arguably inevitable. And then the genocide followed. And so on. Now, how to move forward from that, if you are the RPF? Any ideas, Lakwena? Without retreating into vitriol and impractical what-iffing if you please! - Mugwanya Solomon Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:34:48 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24048 The whole point of "wasting time and money" on the findings is to make those who don't care, care, and those who wont accept the investigations, accept them. Otherwise why even hold them? Mwenda is an economist but sometimes he sounds like an accountant. What is the conomic value of the lives of a million tutsi and moderate hutu that were hacked to death by madmen? This happened only fiftneen years ago, yesterday! To keep defining democracy as a dictatorship of a majority is no longer acceptable. The minorities must have a say and rights not to be marginalised. As for the political chaos in Africa, colonialists have as much if not more blame for it as the sectarian, incapable african leadership, monarchists or not. The colonialists were more sectarian than even africans. - Ocheto Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:39:00 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24038 Ntwali, you are over-reacting. Try and read submissions more carefully. Quote me, I did not mention anywhere that there was genocide against fellow Rwandese or any other community before 1959. Your problem is living in denial that ethnic prejudices and injustices; which breed conflicts along ethnic lines exist. If this was an examination, you would have flunked. In history the greatest injustices were committed by monarchs and their sycophants. They are cruel and foul. - Lakwena Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:08:41 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24037 I agree with Andrew that the probe was a waste of time and money as people who follow the developments in Rwanda are divided into two categories; those who don't care who killed Habyarimana and those won't accept the findings of an investigation carried out the Rwanda Government. So why waste tax payers' money when there are more urgent problems to solve?! - Safali Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:02:58 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24035 Lakwena unless one of your forefathers could have maliciously fed you with lies, there is no recorded fact where Rwandese could have carried out a genocide against fellow rwandese or any other community for that matter before 1959 which period u claim was under the tutsi imperialism. So false demonisation of tutsis will not exonerate genocideires whom you seem to be an ardent apologist. Otherwise which discrimination are you refering to? If there was discrimination prevailing you wouldnt witness a country at peace with itself and its neighbours as is the case to day. Otherwise relax and stop worying. - Ntwali Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:48:23 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24033 Besides, no economic empowerment will erase away subjective ethnic prejudices and subsequent humiliation. The Human nature is very complex. That is why in the Middle East, for thousands of years and counting; between the Israels and Palestinians and elsewhere, where there is discrimination: it is all our rights or nothing! Why do you think Museveni and the NRM is resented in the North? He made his prejudice against Northerners known in black and white. Even if tomorrow he poured all the national resources in the north to appease the people, it will not erase the humiliation. - Lakwena Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:26:48 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24029 Mr. sekaganda, the Belgians were not the cause of the ethnic acrimony between the majority Hutu and the minority Tutsi in the African Great Lakes enclave; Uganda inclusive. They used it. You forget that before the Belgians colonized (imperialism) in Rwanda and Burundi, the Tutsi were already imperializing the majority Hutu. That is how you cannot separate the immediate causes of conflicts from the remote causes. And my friend, Mugwanya Solomon, don't be over simplistic. We Africans are fatalistic because we lack the sense or concept of strategy. And strategy is all about "what if", i.e. the law of probability and plan B. You make claim to Kagame's economic empowerment, but it is a bluff. It is not meant for the Hutus. It is to balance the power of number (Hutu). - Lakwena Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:17:15 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/the-last-word/the-last-word/3-the-last-word/2411-when-victims-apologise-to-the-executioner#comment-24028 Lakwena: Yes, if the RPF had not invaded, perhaps the '94 genocide wouldn't have happened. But that "if" is irrelevant. The Rwandese were going to invade. Your "if" is irrelevant because in the political climate of the time, there was no option but to invade: Rwandese were unloved in Uganda, yet highly trained, politicised/motivated soldiers; Habyarimana was weak, etc. Moving on to the Hutu in the diaspora. Of course they want to come back and take vengeance. Even Kagame knows that. Which is why he is working so much harder on economic empowerment than others in the region: to deny future insurgents fertile ground for a rebellion. 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