Comments for I insist, Mwenda is wrong on gays at http://www.independent.co.ug , comment 1 to 169 out of 20 comments http://www.independent.co.ug Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:47:20 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22573 David Bahati deserves a travel ban for bringing this stupid Anti-Gay Bill. Bahati can’t reason, at the moment there are more pressing issues than Gay issue. Because bahati's acquaintances of seeping out his bosses heals, he thinks he will go way with it. But when slap a travel ban on all these corrupt, clown, unfaithfulness legislators. People like Buturo, Bahati and many NRM gyp artists, all smell corruption. David Habati deserves A - Moses Okello Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:35:47 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22534 Homosexuality roots back to the African tradition and its not a new practice. Its not even fair to blame it to the western world. This is typically peoples choices and thats what the world is calling for today, as law makers and legislators you would focus on empowering the less previledged instead of killing. Have you thought of how many people are bound to be killed for this "act "you call crime? if they have a chance of fleeing their own land, where they belong and have Family they will obviously run for life. - jacque tabingwa Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:17:12 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22533 To hell with all the homos, or gays or whatever they call their species. For a homo to even say he is human like me is blasphemous enough. Bahati should stop dilly dallying and engaging in stupid talk with homosexuals or their Swedish sponsors and pass the bill now. Who cares if the homo happens to be my son, then they should go jail. I am watching this parliament with a Keen eye, if they shoot this bill down, I will know where this vice has hit our country most. - Bernard B. S Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:59:06 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22492 Therapy and counseling for homosexuals should not be put into law. If you havent noticed, we dont have any credible experts on "reparative therapy" in Uganda. Our laws should not depend on pastors' miracles. Reparative therapy has been described, even by former "expert" reparative therapists themselves, as causing a lot more harm than good. It has destroyed families by blaming parents for their kids' sexuality, resulted in suicides, mental breakdowns etc. Therapy and counseling should be an "at your own risk" option only for those who want it, not a legal requirement. - anteros Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:07:38 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22491 Anal sex is brought up to sensationalize and induce disgust towards homosexuals. homosexuality = anal sex? think about this carefully... if there are an estimated 500,000 gay Ugandans (not all of them practicing anal sex)... of the remaining 30,000,000 heterosexual Ugandans (okay, lets slash that to 10,000,000 -adult- heterosexual Ugandans), how many heterosexual couples privately practice anal sex? Would it be, too far fetched to suggest that the majority of Ugandans practicing anal sex are heterosexuals? Disgusting, isnt it? That's another reason why we should not even bother ourselves at all with the private sexual activities of consenting adults. - anteros Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:01:59 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22468 People ask yourself, if human rights were so important, don't you think the likes of MSNBC, SKY NEWS, BBC, ITV, CNN and all that, would be having an article in each and every news bulletin of theirs at least once a week?? BUT guess what I can't count the times America's MSBC's Rachael Maddow show has feature what the presenter repeatedly calls ''the kill the gays bill/UGANDA: Be kidding me'' or CNN. SKY News, BBC, UK's Guardian and Times print article after article, ITV, you name it are covering this thing like hell. More than worse things like the killing by security forces of Ugandans during the September riots that have happened under Museveni. You may want to think on. - Kalule Mbowa Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:49:56 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22467 Bahati won't be tabling bills on everother issue, there are over 322 MPs in UG parliament. Whether Museveni's evil trickery is at work in Bahati's Bill, personally I would not care less yet I have disagreed with Museveni's politics since I was a teenager, and my big headedness Bahati is tackling of homosexuality is legitimate, END OF! I know Museveni is a namby pamby character whose popularity is dwindling in the West and needed something like this to happen to attract the attentions of US, UK and the other usual suspects BUT yes, there is money being pumped into the spread of homosexuality. By choice may be BUT promotion of evil through exploitation of our boys' and girls' poverty by gay gangs in the WEST, no chance. - Kalule Mbowa Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:48:44 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22466 A lot of people are going on and on, linking [b]Bahati[/b] to[b] Museven[/b]i government failures - corruption, oppression, poverty and all that. The fact is that Hon Bahati is technically an [b]MP[/b] - his job is to legislate or help legislate, as simple as that! I would want to think that in his own thinking and indeed after his research he only comes to one conclusion: [b]Homosexuality is a threat to our country[/b], and not many would disagree, never mind Mwenda. If anyone has an issue with the bill tell/convince your own MP to deliberate/vote otherwise, and he will if you are lucky to be in the majority and the bill will end up in the long grass - that is how the democracy we all long for works. [b]Contd Below[/b]. - Kalule Mbowa Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:43:33 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22446 Here are my fears with this Law. It will be used politically to destroy politician, where treason has failed. Coupled with the land grabbing law recently enacted, some will use it to steal other peoples land. This law does not only punish gay people, but anyone who has anal sex, even it was consenting heterosexual adults happily going about their business. Mr Bahati, should be wary of the moment a woman from he has never met accuses him of having consenting Anal sex, what will he do? Beware of laws that have no limits. - Martin Pulle Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:12:49 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22440 95% of Ugandans have agreed they need this bill passed. Western countries are trying to deny our rights of constructive legislation and soveriegnty in the name of "minority protection" which is actually "protection of molesters and dehumanizers," for the sake of their aid. We treasure our values more than your billions of dimes. The bill seeks to protect the victims, but those opposed to it seek to protect the violators and criminals. They don't care about the victims. Kick sodomy out of Uganda. Those hiding under "hate-love phenomenon," revise your holy books and find out what God did to Sodom and GAYmorrah," then zap back to reality. Rwanda is also passing a similar bill. Bravo, Rwanda - Kankaka Edward Nelson Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:49:57 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22436 If you pple claim Ug is a christian country and dont want the west to interfere in your culture THEN, DROP CHRISTIANITY B/C IT IS WESTERN, ISLAM IS EASTERN, ETC... FYI! WHAT RELIGION DO AFRICANS OFFER TO THE WORLD EXCEPT THEIR INHERITED WEST/EASTERN RELIGION THAT THEY NOW THINK THEY KNOW ABOUT EVEN MORE THAN THE FORGERS...NAME ONE AFRICAN RELIGION. Africans have been duped to think their traditional beliefs are witchcraft...our oracles/ sacred places where not different from present day churches, mosques, bahai, temples, etc. Gays have existed in all societies for centuries...pple should stop pretending!!! - MAGAMBO Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:24:26 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22427 Why don't western countries take on Ugandan gays as their citzens? - kasibante Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:22:33 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22382 It is a learnt behaviour. All single sex schools should be mixed to avoid peer pressure and learn behaviour or temptations to be BI-CURIOUS - Evi Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:54:17 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22381 Tired of this crap. Gays,gays, lesbians, Let them come out of their closets to be identified. then we can all know if we have BI-sexual spouses who have been living a married life of lies and bumdrilling and for women ............................dykes to come our of the closets. Bi sexuals are spreading AIDS. They are double dealers. Wives and male mistresses. many hide under the profession of cross dressing. ehehehehhehehehheh! - Evi Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:52:36 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22355 "In order to be classified as a disorder, a condition had to meet the criteria of either an experience of subjective distress or of a generalized, objective impairment in social effectiveness or functioning resulting from the condition itself. The DSM-II diagnosis of sexual orientation disturbance (SOD) replaced the diagnosis of homosexuality. As a result, individuals who were comfortable with their homosexuality were no longer considered mentally ill. According to SOD criteria, only those who were “bothered by,” “in conflict with,” or “wished to change” their homosexuality had a mental disorder.Four areas in which research on the origins of homosexuality have been focused are biology, cross-cultural studies, psychological development, and the acquisition of gay and lesbian identities" - gay..straight..whatever Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:19:13 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22354 Fine....... Kato you have for once attacked my argument. i think we are now making progress which is a good thing. Here are a few facts for you and others.."the terms homosexual and homosexuality were coined by a Hungarian writer, Károli Mária Kertbeny In 1869,". "Cleland Ford and Frank Beach's work, published in 1951, found homosexual behavior to be common across cultures and documented its existence in almost all nonhuman primate species."Homosexuality had been officially classified as a mental disorder in American Psychiatry Association's first edition of the DSM (DSM-I) in 1952 however the American Psychiatric Association decided to remove homosexuality per se from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM III) in 1973". - gay..straight..whatever Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:16:23 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22333 it almost sounds like you are getting agitated or upset. i told you before and i am telling you again, please contribute to this debate constructively instead of purely attacking people, here's a trick..try to attack the argument. I sense a lot of emotion in your arguments and sadly that doesn't help your situation.I am almost curious about the origin of your very passionate and yet baseless and poorly substantiated "hate campaign" hmmm....Personally, I have 3 issues here, discrimination, discrimination and discrimination.Whether you choose to see it differently in tribalism or homphobia, that is a matter of your own.I know we are not the first ones to debate this issue. It would be interesting to look at how others debated this before us. - gay..straight..whatever Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:39:51 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22328 Moses Luyinda: It wouldnt be possible to redicule "good arguments against homosexuality" if those arguments weren't rediculous. You mentioned distractions... please remember, this is not about how acceptable homosexuality is in Ugandan culture today. It's not about what archbishops, pastors, imams, muftis, the pope, the koran or the bible have to say about homosexuality. It's not about Africans versus Europeans. It's not even about how "normal" or "abnormal" homosexuality is in anybody's opinion. This is about the Anti-Homosexuality Bill, 2009... please read the Bill. Even without the death penalty, that Bill is... Anyway, make sure you read the Bill in full. - anteros Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:36:08 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22323 Rev Amos Kasibante: Kibaluma! - anteros Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:36:24 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/column/insight/2209-i-insist-mwenda-is-wrong-on-gays#comment-22299 @Maria, I valued your comments on this and posts. Religious you say but resent fundamentalisms of all kinds. At the moment Uganda is undergoing of one those endemic cycles of hate, hate speech, and scapegoating. The draconian Anti-Homosexuality Bill - although I read they are dropping off one section after another - is a variation on the same theme of the cycle of hate, and 'tribalism' and 'exclusive' follow fast on its heels in yet another round of bludgeoning one another. The Bill is calculated to deflect attention away from corruption: Global Fund, GAVI, CHOGMgate, 100 ghost clinics, Temangalogate, sh 200 m cars for MPs etc. - Rev Amos Kasibante Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:12:55 +0100