Comments for Museveni-Kabaka fallout: End of the 23-year alliance? at http://www.independent.co.ug , comment 1 to 36 out of 20 comments http://www.independent.co.ug Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:36:25 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-25398 In my own opinion,neither is the Kabaka and the President is wrong.The only wrong people are those around them.I will also relate this to a family.A husband might fallout with the wife and some friends get to know about the misunderstandings.Instead of reconcilling the two parties,they just work hard to stretch the gap that has comeup.In the same sense,the kabaka and Mr.Museveni agreed on certain terms which they have to work upon themselves.We (especially Youth for example who have just raed about these peoples relationship should not widen the gap betwwen them). - Kazibwe michael Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:57:45 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19837 I rest my case Mr/Mrs Twakoowa. I do not think I can convince you that Uganda has the potential of becoming a powerful state in Africa and the world. I do understand your frustration with the current Uganda and like many people the urge to look for something better.Some have left the country, others want o secede but I still know I can make Uganda into a gem in the world. I pray that you WILL join hands with us not in helping those who have destroyed Uganda but in making it what I know it can become. - Jude Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:27:13 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19765 Like Jesus said, if a part of you makes you to loose tour faith, sever it. It's better to live without your hand that to have both hands and end up in hell. Let everyone go and find their own faith and peace with their creator. And tell you what, you'll remember my words, that's how it's going to be. Uganda is going to break up, you'll have known that if you had tried to study the laws of the universe. No human or group of them defyies those laws. Uganda is not working and the Universe is in the proces of dismantling it. Of that, rest assured. - Twakoowa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:30:49 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19764 About the Jews, when things didn't work out they made thier own independent nation where they live together with others but on their own terms. I wouldn't go as far as saying that because someone divorced once he can't remarry. That because this child can play peacefully with this one, he can't play with wnyone in the whole world. But even if that were so, I just do what is right by me, my faith, and the two children. Separate them and let each go find it's peace. - Twakoowa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:30:17 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19763 Jude you will show more courage in basing your words on facts not fiction. Don't try to make up things for the sake of shocking some people, that I can't even imagine who. Uganda is an artificial creation of Colonialists as compared to a God made Buganda. These things have been said again and again. And tell you what? When people feel un understood they give up on the dialogue and concentrate on just doing their thing. You said you see no difference between a Muganda and a Musoga, well I do and I know there is. Without doubt. We are not looking abou looks, but the souls of these two are quite different. Every Ugandan tribe/nation has it's way of doing things, and their own beliefs and personality. If the rest of UGanda was asking Buganda to secede, I would have been the first to endorse. You see, I believe life is the greatest gift we get in this world. No one in this world has anything to offer worth buying or trading life for. - Twakoowa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:28:41 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19760 I think now we don't need dudes who are nastic to rule the country,and for sure some one who is not from Uganda should leave the place,coz all didz are already evidenced and mavonouted...routes are open.Even when Amin critised pastor Obiri Obowa fail his mission.Obowa was from and started his miracle spreading in Uganda yet he was from Ghana,and Amin asked for profecy from him in order to whether he can lead Uganda for life,the pastor replied him that if u stop killing p'ple u will rule for 20yrs,but again if u continue killing p'ple u will rule uganda for 7yrs, from their u will neither live in your country nor be burried their.....hence results u all saw them by justification.So Plz i advise the kabaka and M7 to seat down and their them selves amycably other wise nuves are not in vanol.From U.S,GA.:'(;D - Rig Bobi Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:27:47 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19753 So Twakoowa if these people who are really far more different in race compared to us who are all Black HAVE HAD TO LEARN TO LIVE TOGETHER, where do you get the wisdom to say Uganda is not Viable. In fact I do not see much difference between a Muganda and Musoga for example. Both of you use almost the same words, if compared to say a Dutchman and a Zulu but then again, Twakoowa you will tell me the difference is in the size of their this organ or that organ-may be the nose. At the end of the day it is better we just figure out how to coexist and history has shown that Xenophobia and all sorts of prejudice against people because of their color or race or tribe etc NEVER WINS,it crumbles at the end of the day. If you actually believe that Buganda can not exist in Uganda then you will similarly be saying it can not exist in the world at all because you can't co-exist with other people in the world .Do you prefer that option? - Jude Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:21:49 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19751 I would not want to make this into something personal but I think I need to reply. You will agree with me Twakoowa that in History,people have always not liked each other.At one time it was Jews, then it was the black people,the Gypsies, and other' impure races'. Even in the most developed countries in the world there was segregation and hatred based on race,color or language. What we have in Uganda is NOTHING COMPARED TO what went on in these countries and the results are well known to us all,Genocide, Apartheid, Holocaust. At the end of the day, they had to LEARN TO LIVE TOGETHER, EVEN IF THEY NEVER LIKED EACH OTHER and to this day there still exist prejudices in these countries but they live together and are very powerful as well. - Jude Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:16:58 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19746 Cont... Patriotism is love for a nation, people caring for each other and whatever they stand for and holds them as a unit. In Uganda the tribes/nation have nothing in common. I mean right now, I don't even care to know where you come from. I just know you are not a Muganda and that's enough for me. I don't even know much about any other tribe/nation of Uganda. I think that's normal because even they who live in Buganda, might think otherwise, but they know next to nothing about the Baganda. It's all hopeless. We don't like each other. Uganda will NEVER WORK!! So don't just say Twakoowa wrote, say Iam wrong and proove it! It's the truth that will set us all free. You see, I do believe in God. - Twakoowa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:47:43 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19745 Yes, I believe that if people don't get along together, they must stay away from each other. If I saw two children fighting all the time, I would tell them to play apart. If I saw a married couple fighting all the time for years, I would advise them to separate before they kill each other. I am aware that none of you who lie that you believe in Uganda don't do so because you care for other peoples. You just are looking for to get one of yours in the top office so you can subdue others. You have to be hyper stupid not to have realised that a new one comes and kills people one at a time, then whole towns and villages are wiped out to oust him. Iam pro life, and I don't really see the reason people should die, suppossedly for living together. Why? Every tribe/nation lives on it's own anyway! People don't come together because of buildings and economies. cont.... - Twakoowa Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:46:59 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19743 Hello Andrew, What happened to this site after the riots? it looks holible and no longer user friendly. Is it being run by Kiboko squard?? - James Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:22:11 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19702 Jespa I think you missed some of the scenes in Kampala during the riots. Those who were considered non- Baganda were undressed and beaten. I am not a Munyankole but if I were one and people are looking for people of my kind to beat or undress then I would be running. Also Jespa if you read the comments here and in other fora on line, there are actually Baganda talking about secession and other people going back to their homes.Yo should follow Twakoowas threads and see what I am talking ablout. My point is Federo is good for Uganda but secession is bad for both Buganda and Uganda. - Jude Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:03:26 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19697 Jude is telling the Baganda not to tell other tribes to leave Buganda . I dont know from where he gets that . Who said that Buganda is saying or suggesting so ? Maybe he is mistaking Bunyoro for Buganda . - Jespa Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:18:10 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19693 KwataDeal. com - a lot to learn from your comment. Because of politics it is easy to label them 'terrorists', thugs etc. There are some criminal elements of course, as there will be in all riots. But the issue that should not be ducked is what causes riots in the first place and why others people join in. Let's not forget that while the recent uprising was more widespread, it is only one in a series that has been taking place in Kampala over market traders fighting for their rights, Makerere and Kyambogo to say nothing of school strikes. But as usual things will be seen through the prism of terrorism. - Rev Amos Kasibante Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:13:15 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19687 Its a bigger problem than we might all think. At the core of it all, the youth have no jobs. They are demanding a change in government and national policy hoping the new policies will serve them better. Its the youth that were most seen on the streets rioting. They will do it again and again. At every opportunity that comes their way. And this is for two main reasons. First: They feel they need a change in government and rioting presents them with an opportunity to show their anger. Secondly: They are jobless or poorly employed. So they can loot some goods during the riots. - KwataDeal.com Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:19:38 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19672 This mother fu....... has failed to let his African country embrace universal democracy despite its wealth. He comes back to Uganda after failing to train Idi Amin as a Revolutionary Life President . He is at it again in his game of making stooges, trying his luck with this one. - kabayekka Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:46:08 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19639 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHbKVT_iiPI - Mbogo Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:43:22 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19631 Well then what hope is there for the State of Buganda. Buganda has given up its self-determination now 47 years, for the sake of a unitary state of Uganda. It has supproted all sorts of alliances with all sorts of other tribal states to move the country forward. This relationship has reached a point of demanding a federo relationship without any hope. The best option for the State of Buganda is to make its electoral strategy very clear as the 2011 general election approaches so that it does not start to blame every Tom, Dick and Harry for its ineptitude. If this opportunity pass by the best that the State of Buganda can do is to breakaway from an enforced unitary relationship with Uganda. The political battle is ongoing. - kabayekka Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:03:43 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19611 Sure the Buganda problem is not yet solved, but Museveni has had a crack at it for the last 23 years, he's been found wanting, and the results are a more polarized, poor and mismanaged, and damaged country. The immediate problem (or solution) is to change the leadership. Museveni has been a total failure, whatever little successes he may have made in bringing the socalled sleep to Luweroians. The issue is the Museveni experiment has been a dismal failure. It is now clear Buganda problems together with Ugandas can be solved better, more honestly, easily and quickly without rather than with Museveni. - Ocheto Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:59:51 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1805-museveni-kabaka-fallout-end-of-the-23-year-alliance#comment-19610 I as a Luwero survivor sacrificed entire family to support M7 in the bush, although i lost alot of my people i still thanked M7 for liberating uganda. But as of now...i feel the pain the way things are going not only in Buganda but also in the northern part. M7 should step down if he wants to keep a good name as i assure you even us who are living overseas will leave no stone unturned to make sure he leaves office! - chobs Mbogo Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:57:29 +0100