Comments for Museveni's tribal politics at http://www.independent.co.ug , comment 1 to 25 out of 20 comments http://www.independent.co.ug Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:22:28 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18645 I support the President's perspective - Tenge Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:19:59 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18296 Dear 'The Independent', I have followed the discussion on the article "The facts, the figures and their implications" and my humble view is that, to redeem your image of A BALANCED, ANALYTICAL paper, consider doing a rejoinder where you don't just report implications of facts and figures BUT INTERPRETE them and may be with some qualitative data. A stance of RAW CRITICISM can be intellectually blunting. Andrew and your team I know you can do better. - Voice of reseason Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:16:20 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18255 banyankole are occupying most of the jobs in UG on the expence of ugandans bse of the slogan TUKATERA MUNDU and all services like health,educ, electricity,goverment bursaries ETC and yet all people in ug. pay taxes and denied services.museveni shld not thick that by keeping quiet, other tribes are stupind. time will tell. - Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:52:19 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18228 Muganda thank you. IF NOT INTENDEDLY CRITICAL THEN WAS GROSSLY NAIVE - Thank you Muganda Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:46:17 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18222 Not every issue Mwenda claims to discredit our dear president is the President's decision. Mwenda is the face of this paper and takes responsibility for its uprise or downfall. In this article he is just being unreasonably critical - Muganda Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:48:10 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18171 Well said doctor, those who read Luganda can compare the facts of Buganda accepting all who are norn in it as Baganda without prejudice, even the Buganda Cabinnet has people encompassing Indians, Somalis and mixed race. What an example, indeed Buganda be given Federo, and so should all other regions of Uganda, witha president of Uganda as supreme head of a Nation, NRM should stop its Bafuruki talk, all Ugandans are Bafuriki, Museveni is Mufuruki No1, if he had been denied presidency would he be where he is today with his ring fence talk: Compare the following article if you can read Luganda: Quoting Bukkedde Ku Sunday of 23rd Aug 2009: "Abanubbi batongozebwe mu bika by’Abaganda NASOMA mu Bukedde ow'enjawulo eyafuluma nga August 31 olw'okukuza amatikkira ga Ssaabasajja Kabaka aga 16 nga waliwo ebika ebiteekateeka okutongozebwa oluvannyuma lw'okudibya ebimu ebitakyalimu bantu. Ku lw'obulungi bw'okwegatta kwa Buganda, Uganda ne Afirika yonna, nze omu ku batawagira kutondawo bika na mawanga amalala. Ndowooza nti kuba kukecula mu Baganda, Bannayuganda n'Abaddugavu bonna obugujuguju. Naye olw'obwenkanya, tosobola kuziba kkubo abantu ababa baagala okwetengerera lye baba bakutte bwe kiba ddala nga kyetaagisa. Wabula waliwo ebika ebyali byatongozebwa endagaano ya 1900 we yakolerwa, kyokka ate nga tebiweddeewo, naye nga bizze byerabirwa bannnyinibyo ne balowooza nti baboolebwa era awo we wava bannabyabufuzi okubakozesa batwekutuleko. Mu bika ebyo mwemuli ekya Engabi Emmooli. Luno lwe lwabanga olulyo olulangira olwafugwanga obwali obwakabaka bwa Bwera kati Mawogola olwekutula ku kika ky'Ababiito abaafuganga e Bunyoro ne lwegatta ku Buganda era Ssaabasajja Kabaka n'abatongoza obutaka bwabwe e Bulera n'e Kyebando mu Mawogola gye baagabana Mayiro. Omukulu w'ekika kyabwe aliko ye Mutaka Muntu Frank Museveni akaayanira obwami obw'essaza lya Muteesa e Mawogola oba waakiri okwebuuzibwangako nga Kabaka alonda abaami b'ennono mu saza eryo, okutongozebwa ng'omukulu wa Engabi Emmooli ow'akasolya era n'okutuulanga mu lukiiko lw'abataka ab'obusolya. Ndowooza era nti Abanubbi abaaleetebwa Capt.Fredrick Lugard mu 1890, kati emyaka 119 egiyise, ate nga bawulize nnyo eri Ssaabasajja Kabaka, nga kino baakiragidde e Bombo ku Lwokusatu nga July 12, ku mukolo gw'okukuza olunaku lw'abavubuka mu nsi yonna, poliisi bwe yagaanye okukuba ekitiibwa kya Buganda, kyokka bo ne bakiyimba, basaanidde okutongozebwa ng'ekika. Eky'omukisa omulungi Ssekabaka Daudi Chwa ll yabawa eggombolola e Bombo mu saza ly'e Bulemeezi era mu lukiiko e Mengo baakkiikirirwanga Mustafa Ramadhan oluvannyuma eyafuuka Minisita ku Idi Amin. Issa Koma, Bombo." - Mwesige John Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:07:15 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18147 For God sake not everything that is written in this paper is written by Mwenda. Yes he is a major shareholder in the paper,but could you please start giving credit to the other journalists who write most of the articles. - MUGIIIIIIIIIII Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:54:11 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18111 RING -FENCING: Ring fence the cream posts i n the country to one Ethinic group, Ring fence poverty to the indegineous, Ring fence the abusers from the rule of law, Ring fence the high command posts from the "Hutu's", Ring fence Kalamojongs from the mining areas Ring fence Kampala from Buganda, **** off the industries in Jinia to tactifuly Ring fence Basoga from local jobs..... Ring fence, Ring fence..... Where would it stop!! . TEAR GAS, RING FENCE, TEAR GAS. RING FENCE INVESTORS FROM THE THE WRATH OF THE INDEGINOUES... NRM CONTINUA.... - Basoga-Benne Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:20:19 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18101 Melina When you read Namuddu 's contribution "The ... Banyoro could be around 30 or twenty % left in Bunyoro." (above). In other words your data although seems to be coming from an authentic source it is suspicious when used in the issue under discussion. I can see your frustration, but to be 'real' is expensive. This is the same problem with Baingana (above). So to be real is to get behind the figures, beyond the apperent what you people call the news behind the news. Then one needs to realise that to keep the Transaction costs (not production) for oil all measures for peace must be pursued. In Nigeria oil militants make oil expensive through security, blown pipelines etc. So why not treat Banyoro but alos Bafuruki in that area carefully. There could be people ready to put distablizing money in that area, (Banyoro or bafuruki oil miltants), deny them obvious chance to tap into some anger like that of Banyoro -that is being REAL, not those figures - Melina continued Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:29:32 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18098 Melina Platas, Whereas in Western Countries the formal legal regimes determines most of the things, in many third world countries Uganda include the informal regimes dominates. The LV Chair in Kibaale was ring-fenced in 2000 when Fred Rulemera (mufuruki) was elected and forced to step down informally by the President. Then the current Chairman took the seat "unopposed" 2000-2004 and again 2004-to date . No legality but it is well understood. So the Presidents letter is seeking to formalise what already exists to some extent. So informal power works that way, if for example a Mufuruki forces his/her to Parliament the President can ignore that one and appoint a Munyoro who lost to a ministerial post. That is what I mean by informal (unofficial) ring fencing. Your statistics can not capture those. That is why I said qualitative data on deep seated matters is superior. - Informal ring fencing-Melina P Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:33:00 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18096 (continued) someone is not misrepresenting him or herself to the interviewer. But unless one has the resources to carry out one's own census, to my knowledge, these are the most reliable and recent ethnicity data available at the moment. In any case, even if one was to do one's own census, the problem of self-disclosure would remain. - Melina Platas Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:01:36 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18095 @ "thank you for the sensitisation" First of all, I don't know what you mean by "Thant is why the artcle is probably not real". As Moses noted, articles at the Independent are written by those whose byline(s) appear below the headline. Second of all, your main points are unclear to me as well. 1) that ring-fencing has been going on informally -- are you suggesting that already elected officials in Bunyoro are voted into power because they belong to an indigenous group? If so, then why would it be necessary to formalise it? It defeats the president's argument. 2) (and this concern has been expressed by others) I recognise that the ethnicity data are based on self-disclosure. There is therefore some margin of error that is unavoidable if one wants to use published statistics and not a sample (random or otherwise) on the ground. Unfortunately this is a problem that is unavoidable as you cannot guarantee that someone is not misrepresenting him or herself to an interviewer. Nevertheless, unless someone has the resources to carry out their own census, these are the most reliable figures available to my knowledge. Moreover, even if one were to carry out one's own census, one would still run into the hazards of self-disclosure. - Melina Platas Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:57:19 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18093 The percentage of banyoro could be far less than we think because interviewees tell the person filling the questinaire what they think that person wants to hear. So a peasant mufuruki, suspicious that the enumerators may report on him/her, will claim to belong to the dominant powerful group, ie Munyoro. But a munyoro cannot claim to be a mufuruki in his land. The truth therefore could be that the Banyoro could be around 30 or twenty percent left in Bunyoro. - Aisha Namuddu Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:35:07 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18081 Moses, Thank you for the sensitisation. Certainly I was wondering how Mwenda could have been completely out of touch (unreal)using statstics the way they were used in 'Museveni's tribal politics' and the ealier artcle on how identify various groups in Bunyoro. The two and their theses were inconsistent I was a bit mystified. Let Melina Platas note that two parallel forces at work-ring fencing has been on informally and so it affects what you see but also pop sec figures are based on self disclosure and so to say Banyoro were completely at peace with current MPs is misnomer. - Thank you for the sensitisatio Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:49:58 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18079 Voice of reason, The other day Joe Powell reminded readers on the Uganda Talks blog that not every article that gets published in the Independent is by Andrew Mwenda. No doubt Mwenda is the cog and wheel on which the Independent spins but the article on 'Museveni's tribal politics' is by Melina Platas. Guys give the other Independent writers credit. Lastly, please before you address your questions/comments to Mwenda check out the byline. Thanks. - Moses Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:15:54 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18063 Mwenda you would be more relevant to the Ugandan cause if you stop mourning and face to the reality of the world. Uganda like any other country globally is build on a set of tribal groupings. Each tribe comes on board with something to offer and it is worthwhile to give it its due in proportion to what it brings to board. Buganda relatively has prime metropolitan land and that it is why it has a sensitive role in politics. Bunyoro has come up with relevant black gold laden land. It is worth for them to fight for their share. Ankole has the political brains now and have the right to fight for their share. That is reality. Go to Britain or US and tell me how many native Ugandans or Africans are serving in their senate or own the top enterprises. Go to Middle East and find the proportion of Xtians owning estates there or how many Muslims have enterprises in Italy or Poland. Be real and forget about pluralistic politics. You will achieve pluralism never and some of us will promote exclusionary play.. - Muganda Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:37:10 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18045 So as not to get lost in the transulation of the statistics. Could the web publisher please do a better job on representing the detail. the pie charts are not legible enough. Put up links or pdf files so that we can get the jist of the story in its enirity - Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:38:55 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18044 Why wont the rest of Uganda learn from the Baganda, where other tribes even non ugandans come and are adopted and even take on Kiganda names if they so choose and take on clans and thence become Baganda, as long as they accept the culture and respect the traditions. This NRM ethnic cleasing proposal is purely the icing on the cake; see how all good things, jobs, medi-care etc are ring-fenced for almost one ethnic group in the country. - Dr Kaggwa Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:33:09 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18039 Baingana, One wonders whether you read the comment of Voice of Reason carefully or your were anxious to "encourage" the indigeneous people to work hard meaning they are lazy. They used to say cattle keepers of a certain region were lazy but how they came to dominate a country I am still studying it. Steotyping is always unfortunate, what if the spirit of Kabalega possed these people again? - Baingana -to reply usefully Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:00:37 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/cover-story/1491-musevenis-tribal-politics#comment-18028 surely this is confusing, if a mukiga can not legally migrate, be elected or live in bunyoro then where do you get guts to talk about east african community federation.If the so called bafuruki can not be elected yet they are majority, who will vote for the minority banyoro, forced voting or what? If they baycott voting what will happen? What about a munyoro being elected outside bunyoro?Think twice. - Frank Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:51:13 +0100