Comments for Bahati: Don’t usurp God’s power at http://www.independent.co.ug , comment 1 to 182 out of 20 comments http://www.independent.co.ug Wed, 22 May 2013 11:53:37 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-22640 Dear Andrew..for sure you are very wrong Hon.Bahati dint say they should kill homos but those who rape the young ones under 18..and even knowingly they are hiv positive imagine your son being raped by a gay who is hiv positive :( sometimes we need to think before we talk..now i can see we want Hon..Bahati to be hated but read his words ..that bill is for people who rape..even in the west few countries respect the gays even in Holland we have many cases where gays are being attacked..so go uganda;) - Lesbo shiba Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:13:06 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-22479 , where are we heading to if we have started despising the bible in our country like what USA is doing , anation based on christianity but its now the one legalising the marriage of aman with afellow man .ihave lived with americans for along time i under stand their thinking & their way of living ,america has no culture is mixed up of asians , mexicans , chines , so forth & so on . these are the ppl'e that have allowed their bishops , canons ,Rev's & pastors to serve publicly as homosexuals , right hand with the bible & on the left hand with aring of afellow man as apartener with the support of the president . the time has come & the prophesies will be fulfilied but we pray that God can save some people like Bahati as he did in the cities of sodom & gomorrah . - LT.FOAT Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:04:34 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-22241 MP Bahati is right and should be supported. I used to have a lot of respect for Mwenda and that rev Kasibante. Now I call him rev from doom. If I am a thief, I should be able to admit that it is morally worng to steal, but no thief sees that it is worng to steal someone else property, instead they recruit more followers. Society have to restrain the act by enforcing law to protect the rights of the victims. Homosexuality has been condemed by God as an abomination, unnatural which God said it should be punished by death, it destroys society morally (Leviticus 18:22). - wakeUp Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:23:46 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-22235 Your arguments are truly laughable. The apostle Paul advocated singleness. If we all listened to that command, the human race would be extinct by the year 2150. On the subject of innate kleptomania and cannibalism, the difference between homosexuality and these examples is that there is nothing about homosexuality that injures other people. I know you will likely respond by citing examples of coerced homosexual sex but you surely are not advocating for complete abstention from heterosexual activities because of coerced heterosexual sex. Coerced sex is always wrong, whether it is gay or straight, but that doesn't make homosexuality always wrong. - yolorenz Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:25:40 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-22138 Andrew: very intellectually woven ideas in defence of the gay community. However, if we are asked a question: - Would you like to live in a world where all men and women lived happily and long without sex by their opposites? If the answer is yes, then the human race as we know it extinct by the year 2150. Andrew should also promote the rights of kleptomaniacs (compulsive stealing of objects unnecessary for personal use or monetary value) who may have a more popular following in Africa. Some studies have indicated biology as a factor in their behavior. In addition, Andrew should also think about the rights of Cannibals (the act or practice of humans eating the flesh of other humans). As human rights advocate think about big blocks of society - not just a few. - Kalmoh Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:56:29 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21840 I would like to congratulate Mr. Bahati for taking up the mantle in the war against homosexuality. Mr Mwenda's attack on the conservative MP from kabale is with all due respect disgusting in the sense that it is coming from a Ugandan albeit a christian. mwenda's attack comes from an inferiority complex to appease his small international audience while selling the very values that make us african. This topic has always been a taboo in our cultures. we don't tolerate this no matter how learned we become our how travelled we are, this is a panaecia. Its true being gay is something you are born with and arises as a defect in one's DNA and therefore one can't avoid it, but we can still force the environmental factor to take precedence. Perhaps if we were more advanced mr. bahati could table the bill that forces doctors to abort any foetus carrying the gene. My only addition to the bill would be arresting the likes of andrew who use their platforms to advance this vice. - daniel Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:32:21 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21754 Wheather Andrew tries to equate the black strugle in America and the emancipation of the black race world over with homosexuality in Uganda or world over, the fact remains one, its a vice that has no place in African practice and in African Culture in general, and deserves to be rejected with utter contempt that it may deserve, despite the fact that Andrew is entitled to his own views as a panalist or analyst whatsoever....... Roger that!!! - momo Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:56:58 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21748 I see pro gays blowing air here, blah, blah, blah, they don't know they are hitting their heads against a wall with these tvery monied people who hold power, because in our world money means power, all those that are blah, blahing I bet you $100, you have less than $100,000 to your name while these congressman and senators have an organization worth $13 billion and they are supporting Museveni's,Bahti's and Nsaba Buturo's stance against homosexuality 200% http://www.wbur.org/npr/120746516 http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=120746516&m=120757394 - Mark Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:38:20 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21747 Let Andrew and all these pro-gay people go against some senators and congress men in the US government who are supporting Museveni, Bahti and Nsaba Buturo on this anti-gay bill. - Mark Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:31:13 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21744 I support you wholly on this though am not gay, I live in Europe but I know of many other Ugandans living double lives, married at home but openly gay here, let this bill be sent back to the stupid MP, let gays live their lives, everyone has a right to do what they want, gays dont deserve deth, some are your children, bothers or fathers.....lol, we know that most anti-homo people do it in the dark,..., get real. Andrew has a point. - Jim Wasswa Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:01:14 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21695 Reverand ,if the bible was "used " to support slavery and racism , its the civil laws that ended slavery and institutionalised racism . Uganda , as a nation , does not makes its laws according to what the bible says . Our laws are made to match our own perceptions of what is right or wrong for us .Look at the tittle one more time : Mwenda is telling Bahati not to ursurb Gods power . The implication is that its Gods word , not Bahati`s that should be final .Now , if your reasoning is that all of us have the right to change our perceptions , Mwenda and you should live God out of this . I will understand if you dont respond . - Juma Kato Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:32:51 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21686 Juma Kato, I am losing the train of your thought/writing. That people change their perceptions of Scripture or the Word of God is known by every one whose views are not entrenched. For example, the Bible was used to support slavery and the slave trade. The Bible was used to support racism. Recall that story of the accursed Ham whose descendants were destined to be hewers of wood and drawers of water being equated with Black people? Or the Adam-Eve story being used to subjugate women? Or the Creation story about subduing the earth being used to exploit rather than care for the environment? No Mr Kato I have no fixation about prostitution. Many - perhaps most of the prostitutes are victims of social and economic injustice. Might be best now to round off this debate - that is between you and me. So if I do not respond you understand. - Rev Amos Kasibante Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:10:01 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21683 The church will is not about to endorse or permit prostitution , so says Rev. Kasibante . What happened to the question " who gets hurt when 2 consenting adults have sex " ? Finally , Kasibantes church has found some sexuality that it cannot change its position and move on ! - Juma Kato Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:09:11 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21682 Rev. Kasibante , hopes that " the prostitute" will not be demonised . I wonder if he is willing to join them if they start their own Prositution Rights Movement . Will he attend their pride festivals ? Will the church make some of them priests ? - Juma Kato Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:02:13 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21681 Anything illegal is crimialized Rev . In UK , if one is caught committing prostitution , the defence of " we are adults who agreed " will not stand in court . You should probably say that, althouugh the trade is illegal , the police and the British public dont consider prostitution as a major hazard that must be stamped out by all means , which is the same that happens in Uganda when it comes to homosexuality - Juma Kato Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:52:05 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21680 I am getting used to Rev-Kasibantes spins . He is a so so Reverand who could make a good living as a bad politician. If peoples perceptions over Jesus`s message , how can the Rev . think that the church he works for will not alter its position on prostitution ? - Juma Kato Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:41:37 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21677 About the illegality of criminalisation of prostitution - correction: It is legalised in some countries and not legalised in others and that includes the countries you say people are free to do with their bodies as the please. In UK, prostitution is illegal, although those living here know the situation is more complex. In UK it is illegal, but the law does not criminalise sexual relations between two consenting adults, even if the church might regard it as sin. - Rev Amos Kasibante Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:22:48 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21676 Mr Juma Kato, you say that God's Word does not change. But our perception of it does. To add: God's Word is not an absolute or self-evidenced. It is always contested. You mention another tricky subject: prostitution. A very broad subject, you know? And much more complex than homosexuality. The church is not about to endorse or permit it, I don't think. One hopes, though, that it will be wise enough and spiritual enough to not demonise "the prostitute" or use them as a scapegoat for or to deflect attention away society's injustices - social, cultural, and economic . The Jesus you talk about refused to answer hypothetical questions. So, do I. - Rev Amos Kasibante Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:16:54 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21675 Generally, and I am going to be very general; we live in an information age; Rev kasibante knows this, but somehow, assumes that uganda is Isolated; The homosexual debate is only relatively starting in uganda; in other countries its been going on for years; and it is these countries that we should learn from; lets not sleep lest our children are indoctrinated with the gay ideology, like is the case in some states in the US, Therefore I encourage people, whenever I can, not to be hoodwinked by the gay movement in uganda; it did not start in Uganda; therefore lets study where the movement has been; we might be in for a surprise if we think that the gay demands in Uganda are only about human rights! - Moses Luyinda Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:15:24 +0100 http://www.independent.co.ug/the-last-word/the-last-word/2083-bahati-dont-usurp-gods-power#comment-21674 Rev. Kasibante, so I overlooked a minor detail; you and I know that those countries you mention as having attended Lambeth 2008; they contitute a very small fraction of africa. You yourself mention that the african bishops who attended 2008 were there to voice their uneasiness with the direction of the anglican church. Mr. Kato, thank you for your quotation of Orombi, the Archibishop of uganda; you somehow caught the Rev.. Unawares; Rev. Kasibante, we can not tell half-truths, These things are only a click away on the internet.!!! - Moses Luyinda Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:10:35 +0100